Pipeman interviewed and cleared

[GUT]

Shortly before Mr. Bushby left the bench at the close of the day’s business at Worshop-street [sic – Worship Street] Police Court on Saturday a Swede, named Nikaner A. Benelius, 27 years of age, and described as a traveller, living in Great Eastern-street, Shoreditch, was placed in the dock charged with entering a dwelling-house in Buxton-street, Mile End, for an unlawful purpose, and with refusing to give any account of himself. Detective Sergeant Dew attended from Commercial-street station, and stated that the prisoner had been arrested that morning under circumstances which rendered it desirable to have the fullest inquiries made as to him. Prior to the last murder (of Mary Kelly, in Miller’s Court) the prisoner had been arrested by the police and detained in connection with the Berner-street murder; but was eventually released. He had, however, remained about the neighbourhood, lodging in a German lodginghouse, but having, the officer said, no apparent means of subsistence.19

http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/rip-echo.html?printer=true

Seems many were arrested as suspects in the stride murder. These POIs who where questioned and released may have been overlooked and make better suspects than most of the fantasy rippers proposed by ripperology authors. Has anyone compiled a list of all those known to have been detained in connection to the case?

I've been trying to, but boy is it difficult, there appear to be literally 100's of people detained for questioning, at times it is hard to determine if two reports relate to one person or two separate people, and most reports contain no name.

[Wickerman]

I've been trying to, but boy is it difficult, there appear to be literally 100's of people detained for questioning, at times it is hard to determine if two reports relate to one person or two separate people, and most reports contain no name.

Right, those brought in for questioning won't be named by police if they are released. I'm sure you know this though.

[GUT]

Right, those brought in for questioning won't be named by police if they are released. I'm sure you know this though.

G'day Jon

I certainly know that, just it makes it hard to try and ascertain even how many were detained for questioning or otherwise.

[RockySullivan]

It's definitely worthwhile to compile the list gut and sounds like a really good idea. Atleast the three leather aprons are named so there likely was a record of some others right

[RockySullivan]

On the 19th October 1888, Swanson wrote that 'the police apparently do not suspect the second man,’ [with respect to Sightings of Stride on the night of her murder].

Here is Paul Begg's commentary explaining why Pipeman was likely found and corroborated Schwartz's story.

books.google.com/books?id=6a2-AgAAQBAJ&pg=PT204&lpg=PT204&dq=Jack+the+ripper+pip eman&source=bl&ots=MLjZorbzpQ&sig=TQYIa6cjrU8sCFa5 HJnBGVKCqaU&hl=cs&sa=X&ei=eHJ8VJ3OMqndywPZw4LYDg&v ed=0CFEQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Jack the ripper pipeman&f=false

If the link doesn't go directly to the page its the first quote in the list. Click it and page will open.

Enjoy.

BTW - Paul Begg's book "The Facts" was extremely hard to buy a few years back because it seems to have been in limited supply but the Kindle version is available. I recommend it as it is written in the same style of Sugden's classic and has some nice points like the above.

In this link to Begg's book there is something I'd never seen mentioned before. Inspector Reid claims at the inquest that a door of the loft was found locked from the inside, and when it was forced no one was found inside. This is very strange. Could the killer have hid in the loft and had some escape route? Was there some sort of way out the police didn't recognize?

[Trevor Marriott]

In this link to Begg's book there is something I'd never seen mentioned before. Inspector Reid claims at the inquest that a door of the loft was found locked from the inside, and when it was forced no one was found inside. This is very strange. Could the killer have hid in the loft and had some escape route? Was there some sort of way out the police didn't recognize?

Across the rooftops?

A witness walking home at the time purportedly saw a man scurrying across the roof tops (Jack the Ripper The Secret Police Files) amzn.to/1tGNEb0

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[RockySullivan]

Across the rooftops?

A witness walking home at the time purportedly saw a man scurrying across the roof tops (Jack the Ripper The Secret Police Files) amzn.to/1tGNEb0

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Thats interesting. How would someone get to the roof from inside the loft?

[Trevor Marriott]

Thats interesting. How would someone get to the roof from inside the loft?

I have no idea, but I dont know whether they had skylights in those days or not. I am just making people aware of what I was told by a relative of someone who was alive and in Whitechapel at the time of the Stride murder, and what they saw whilst walking home the night of the Stride murder.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[RockySullivan]

I have no idea, but I dont know whether they had skylights in those days or not. I am just making people aware of what I was told by a relative of someone who was alive and in Whitechapel at the time of the Stride murder, and what they saw whilst walking home the night of the Stride murder.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Interesting. Are there any mentions in the police files of a roof sighting or roof theory

[RockySullivan]

Trevor, personally I don't care for you...but your post kinda makes me want to read your book...as much as I think the stolen organs theory is crackpot. how come it's only on kindle?

[RockySullivan]

Are there any books that go into depth on the Pipeman and BSman aspect of the stride murder?

[Bridewell]

In this link to Begg's book there is something I'd never seen mentioned before. Inspector Reid claims at the inquest that a door of the loft was found locked from the inside, and when it was forced no one was found inside. This is very strange. Could the killer have hid in the loft and had some escape route? Was there some sort of way out the police didn't recognize?

If the loft was indeed locked from the inside there would have to be another way out. If Trevor's hand-me-down witness sighting of a man on the roof was true (and I'm both intrigued and sceptical in equal measure on that one) you'd be looking at some kind of 19th century free runner with knowledge of (and access to) the buildings around Dutfields Yard.

[Trevor Marriott]

If the loft was indeed locked from the inside there would have to be another way out. If Trevor's hand-me-down witness sighting of a man on the roof was true (and I'm both intrigued and sceptical in equal measure on that one) you'd be looking at some kind of 19th century free runner with knowledge of (and access to) the buildings around Dutfields Yard.

What we don't know is the layout at the bottom of Dutfields Yard. I don't know if this account is true or not, but if the killer was disturbed by LD then he could not go out via the front gates so where else could he go, back into the club if that is where he originally came from, or down to the bottom of the yard and up onto the roofs.He wouldn't necessarily need knowledge of Dutfields Yard he would be looking for a quick escape in some way.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[RockySullivan]

If the loft was indeed locked from the inside there would have to be another way out. If Trevor's hand-me-down witness sighting of a man on the roof was true (and I'm both intrigued and sceptical in equal measure on that one) you'd be looking at some kind of 19th century free runner with knowledge of (and access to) the buildings around Dutfields Yard.

Inspector Reid claims it was locked from the inside. Unless he's mistaken, wouldn't the police have investigated how one would have escaped from inside a locked loft? I wonder who was in charge in the loft?

[Robert St Devil]

TREVOR. Rooftops escape? I read on voicesofbro dmo r com of an 1888 escape by an "F.M.", a 24 year old man wh was able to escape by vaulting the wall... like the opening scene of CASINO ROYALE. Said he had the strength in his legs to jump six feet off a scaffold and catch onto a partitioned wall with his knees. I was trying to find out if James Kelly buddy ever eacaped.