Was Liz Stride a Ripper Victim?

[New Waterloo]

I think c.d. is correct in that its reasonable to assume that the police must have asked Kidney for an alibi. But does Kidney come across to others as a drunken idiot not worthy of consideration. Have the police made a mistake in assuming that the so called serial killer JTR has killed Stride and disregarded Kidney as a viable offender. The inquest summing up tends to squash any ideas that it is somebody else who could have killed Stride but Kidney clearly lies at the inquest when another witness says that Stride had recently departed from Kidney after having had 'words' or something similar indicating a row and he seems to be agitated about her taking some items. I am not saying Kidney is responsible but there are some factors here that make him stand out a bit more than others. Also what's all the shouting about by Kidney at the police station on the evening of 1st Oct saying he can catch the ripper. Sounds to me like someone trying to distract the police's attention in the direction of JTR. Very odd I think.

NW

[Trevor Marriott]

The police were aware of Kidney and his relationship with Stride. If they never suspected him then they were complete and total idiots and incredibly incompetent. Since I don't think that was the case I have to believe they asked him for an alibi which he provided and which was checked. If he had no alibi, they would have asked Schwartz to identify him as the B.S. man. Since there is no report of that taking place I conclude he had an alibi.

c.d.

If Stride was prostituting herself outside the club she might have approached many men passing by, It is possible that one of the men simply pushed her away and heated words were exchanged.

My own belief is that she was not a victim of JTR. It has been shown that Kidney lied at the inquest and I am surprised he having lied he was not asked by the coroner to account for his movements on the night she was murdered. He may well have given an alibi to the police which was uncheckable

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[erobitha]

I'm waiting to one day find evidence that Israel Schwartz actually existed on record other than a man calling himself that providing a statement to Abberline.

Until then, I personally disregard his testimony.

[The Baron]

I'm waiting to one day find evidence that Israel Schwartz actually existed on record other than a man calling himself that providing a statement to Abberline.

Nathan Shine may be the man you're searching for.



The Baron

[Patrick Differ]

According to Ancestry 1901 census
LIving at 21 Jubilee Street very close to the Stride Murder
Israel Shwartz. Born in Russian Empire 1865
Esther wife born in Russia
Esther daughter born in Russia age 16 ( 1885)
Louis son born in London age 12 ( 1889)
3 more sons Daniel, Edward Abraham born in London.

So it appears that Shwartz, his wife and daughter left Russia after 1885 and were in the East End in 1889. It appears they stayed in the area.

This Israel Shwartz matches the story. It is likely he would have been in the area during the Israel Lipski murder event and would only know Yiddish and basic English words.

What if the man who shouted Lipski was shouting it at Israel Lipski, who may have known this man somehow, and then refused to identify him later?

[jerryd]

What if the man who shouted Lipski was shouting it at Israel Lipski, who may have known this man somehow, and then refused to identify him later?

Hi Patrick.

Maybe you mean shouting it at Phillip Lipski? I have had ideas about that also, btw. Israel Lobulsk (Lipski) was hanged in August of 1887. Or am I misunderstanding what you mean?

[Patrick Differ]

Sorry. I meant shouting at Israel Shwartz.