Which Schwartz interpretation is acurate ?

[moonbegger]

Moon,

He apparently lived in at 22 Helen/Ellen Street just off Backchurch Lane. The reporter ran him down in Backchurch Lane. Why 'run him down' if they knew his address? If they didn't know his address then how'd they get such a great description of him to track him down?

I'd agree with you it appears the Police gave the info to the newspaper but I don't think they actually got a statement from Schwartz, I believe they took the info and made a story with it pretending to have met him.

Cheers
DRoy

For my mind it comes across as the Star man being given the information but being told not to disclose the witnesses name & address .. and in all probability the story was the only part the star man was interested in anyway ! "The Run to ground" line could just simply be a line to take the heat off his police informant , and safeguard any future information ..

I don't think they actually got a statement from Schwartz, I believe they took the info and made a story with it pretending to have met him.

entirely plausible as well ..

moonbegger

[Michael W Richards]

Interesting to note here that to my knowledge, to this post, no-one has been able to verify where Israel Schwartz lived Saturday morning. We know his wife moved them that Saturday,....but from where? Is it possible that he was heading to 40 Berner Street and the cottages that were on the property to check to see if his wife had moved their things to Backchurch?

That answer may relate to Israels perceived truthfulness.

Cheers

[lynn cates]

neither

Hello MB. Thanks.

Neither, I presume. Certainly not Swanson. He seemed aware of the story but disagreed.

Cheers.
LC

[moonbegger]

Hello (again) MB. There is a better account than that. The Lehman lads wanted further evidence before proceeding further.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn , is that from Swanson or Aberline ?

[DRoy]

"The truth of the man's statement is not wholly accepted" to Schwartz account as opposed to the prisoner in question ? just a thought ..

Moon,

They are talking about Schwartz, not the prisoner.

Cheers
DRoy

[DRoy]

DRoy ..



Did he not live in Backchurch Lane ? And are there any other statements pertaining to how , and where , he was found ? If the star man was told to keep it under wraps , its no wonder his exact address and name was omitted .

Moon,

He apparently lived in at 22 Helen/Ellen Street just off Backchurch Lane. The reporter ran him down in Backchurch Lane. Why 'run him down' if they knew his address? If they didn't know his address then how'd they get such a great description of him to track him down?

I'd agree with you it appears the Police gave the info to the newspaper but I don't think they actually got a statement from Schwartz, I believe they took the info and made a story with it pretending to have met him.

Cheers
DRoy

[lynn cates]

story

Hello (again) MB. There is a better account than that. The Lehman lads wanted further evidence before proceeding further.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

understanding

Hello MB. Thanks. No, not my intention.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

another go

Hello Caroline. Thanks.

Perhaps another go is in order. Or perhaps it is enough that you see no love connection from BSM to Liz.

Cheers.
LC

[moonbegger]

Also , on another note connected with Schwartz and his Truthfulness or reliability .. or lack of it , according to some .. Is this possibly another misinterpretation or misread ?

This prisoner has not been charged, but is held for inquiries to be made. The truth of the man's statement is not wholly accepted.

This appears at the foot of Schwartz press account .. is Schwartz getting accidently discredited , because people are attributing "The truth of the man's statement is not wholly accepted" to Schwartz account as opposed to the prisoner in question ? just a thought ..

cheers , moonbegger

[moonbegger]

Moon,

They didn't find him at his house, they found him down the street from his house. Quite remarkable considering the amount of people in the area. The description must have been perfect for them to find him!

DRoy ..

A Star man, however, got wind of his call, and ran him to earth in Backchurch-lane.

Did he not live in Backchurch Lane ? And are there any other statements pertaining to how , and where , he was found ? If the star man was told to keep it under wraps , its no wonder his exact address and name was omitted .

cheers , moonbegger

[DRoy]

My views on the Star piece are this...

Either it was planted by the police, or the Star reporter paid a copper for the info...which happened ALL the time.

Agreed! Thanks Tom!

Cheers
DRoy

[DRoy]

Its really not that incomprehensible is it ? "The man your looking for lives here , but keep his name out of the paper, or that'll be your last tip"
Yet you have no problems believing a Policeman gave the press the Interpreters details .. Obviously the Police gave out information about the visit , or how else would the press got wind of it in the first place ..

Moon,

They didn't find him at his house, they found him down the street from his house. Quite remarkable considering the amount of people in the area. The description must have been perfect for them to find him!

No I don't have proof Schwartz was told not to talk to the press. I don't think you'd find too many people on here that would disagree it is almost a certainty they did.

Cheers
DRoy

[DRoy]

That's your idea?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Tom,

It was not my intent to try to claim it as a new idea or take credit for such an idea, although I had yet to see it suggested in this thread. I don't recall seeing it suggested elsewhere either but apparently it has been.

Cheers
DRoy

[moonbegger]

Eh? Where did that come from, Lynn? It wasn't my perception that the assault on Liz was a domestic incident; Moonbegger merely suggested it may have been Pipeman's perception. I was acting as interpreter in MB's temporary absence, as you had misunderstood him.
Caz
X

Hello Caz & Lynn ,

Does anyone else find it hilarious , that this is a thread questioning the probability of misunderstanding interpretations and misinterpretation itself, between two or three different languages and dialects 125 years ago ..

The fact that we can still gloriously fail to communicate and misunderstand each other in an all too common language 125 years later is priceless ..

Lynn , I tip my cap to you sir , if this was indeed your intention .

moonbegger