6d. Did Liz spend it, or die for it?

[RivkahChaya]

Except he padlocked her out of his place. Anyway, he would be the first person to get dumped, and then kill the person who dumped him. In fact, when break-ups end in murder, it usually works that way.

[Cogidubnus]

Except he padlocked her out of his place

Hi Rivkah

This is according to whose evidence exactly?

All the best

Dave

[lynn cates]

legend

Hello Rivkah. Have you had a go at Tom Wescott's article on Michael Kidney? It lays to rest a good many legends.

Cheers.
LC

[RivkahChaya]

OK. Let's go with "argument from ignorance" error. "We don't know who killed her, so it must have been Jack the Ripper." I don't necessarily think Kidney killed her, but the statistical reality of women being killed by their partners or recent exes is as compelling as "There was a serial killer on the loose, so any unsolved murder at the time must be his work," which what it seems the argument for Stride as a victim essentially boils down to.

It's also remotely possible she was mistaken for someone else, or that she really was killed for 6d., or that she was killed by the torso murderer, who intended to take her back to wherever he did his dismembering, and it was he who was interrupted. Yeah, the last one is a truly long shot. But, "Jack the Ripper was on the loose, so, he did it," doesn't work for me.

[lynn cates]

Yes, but . . .

Hello Rivkah. Thanks.

" \but the statistical reality of women being killed by their partners or recent exes is as compelling as "There was a serial killer on the loose, so any unsolved murder at the time must be his work,""

Absolutely. But Michael Kidney?

Cheers.
LC

[DRoy]

Lynn,

Hello Rivkah. Have you had a go at Tom Wescott's article on Michael Kidney? It lays to rest a good many legends.

With all do respect to Tom who i've been a big fan of for years, he too has just done what we all do which is speculate and interpret. To be honest, I was not convinced by one of his debunking pieces.

Regarding Kidney, I'm not sold on him being guilty by any means but he surely should be a suspect. As we all know, most murders are domestic and he was obviously 'not all there'. Just because he had some mental issues doesn't make a murderer but it doesn't mean he didn't murder either.

Sure everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt before being lynched by the public but there are red flags with Kidney that in my opinion would make him lean more towards being someone capable as opposed to being someone who without doubt wouldn't murder Liz.

Cheers
DRoy

[lynn cates]

Silly ol' Kidney.

Hello Roy. Thanks.

"but there are red flags with Kidney that in my opinion would make him lean more towards being someone capable as opposed to being someone who without doubt wouldn't murder Liz."

I think you are onto something with the notion of "flags." At some point, you must estimate character and decide, "Could he cut a throat?"

But MK comes off looking like a buffoon. Look at his testimony. Just silly.

Cheers.
LC

[DRoy]

Lynn,

Physical ability, temper, drink, etc and "coming off like a buffoon" are seperate things don't you think?

Maybe Liz wasn't the greatest catch but she did at one time choose "the buffoon".

Cheers
DRoy

[lynn cates]

personally envision

Hello Roy. Thanks.

Indeed. But can you personally envision the lad who gave THAT testimony killing a woman by cutting her throat?

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Rivkah

Except he padlocked her out of his place. Anyway, he would be the first person to get dumped, and then kill the person who dumped him. In fact, when break-ups end in murder, it usually works that way.

Sorry but I have to repeat the question...by whose evidence?

All the best

Dave

[RivkahChaya]

That should have been "He wouldn't be the first person to get dumped...." Stupid autocorrect.

[Semper_Eadem]

Hello I am new to the Casebook Forum.
I am wondering what the cost of a corsage would have been in London's lower East End in 1888? And, were such items sold in the lower East End at that time? The manifest of items found on Liz's body at the time of her death do not mention the 6d. that she had earned earlier that afternoon. There also does not seem to be any evidence that she spent it, as it seems that she was with a man most of the evening, according to witnesses that claim to have seen her throughout that evening. Which leads me to believe that she would not have any reason to spend her money on alcohol or other items such as a corsage or food.
So, what happened to the 6.?

Sluggo.

She probably spent in on liquor. I think she was on a pub crawl.

[Wickerman]

Hi Lynn.

Hello Roy. Thanks.

Indeed. But can you personally envision the lad who gave THAT testimony killing a woman by cutting her throat?

Cheers.
LC

Is there an IQ test for throat cutting?


Tom didn't exonerate Michael Kidney but I don't see him as a Prime suspect, but certainly he is a suspect.

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[Jon Guy]

Hi Dave

Sorry but I have to repeat the question...by whose evidence?

Kidney`s inquest testimony:

When deceased and I lived together I put a padlock on the door when we left the house. I had the key, but deceased has got in and out when I have been away. I found she had been there during my absence on Wednesday of last week - the day after she left - and taken some things.

[Jon Guy]

Hi RivkahChaya

I don't necessarily think Kidney killed her, but the statistical reality of women being killed by their partners or recent exes is as compelling as "There was a serial killer on the loose, so any unsolved murder at the time must be his work," which what it seems the argument for Stride as a victim essentially boils down to.

The statistical reality of women being killed by their partners or recent exes is that these murders generally occur in the home.