6d. Did Liz spend it, or die for it?

[lynn cates]

liquor

Hello Same.

"She probably spent in on liquor. I think she was on a pub crawl."

Could be. Of course, there was no trace of such in her system. Maybe the invisible signs?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

nasty

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"Is there an IQ test for throat cutting?"

Well, of course the "throat cutter" must be able to find the requisite bodily part.

There's also a "nasty factor" involved. He lacked it.

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Dave



Kidney`s inquest testimony:

When deceased and I lived together I put a padlock on the door when we left the house. I had the key, but deceased has got in and out when I have been away. I found she had been there during my absence on Wednesday of last week - the day after she left - and taken some things.

Exactly the point I was trying to make Jon...by his own evidence, and his own evidence only...

All the best

Dave

[curious]

There's also a "nasty factor involved. He lacked it.

Cheers.
LC

good morning, Lynn,
How can you arrive at that conclusiont? It is my understanding that abusers of women often tend to be considered fine upstanding fellas by most people who know them, it is only the people who live with them and know them intimately who ever see that "nasty factor"

I have my doubts that a "nasty factor" would be on display in a court by a coward who abuses people weaker than himself.

curious

[Jon Guy]

Hi Dave

Exactly the point I was trying to make Jon...by his own evidence, and his own evidence only...

Yet, Stride did have the key to the padlock amongst her possessions, and she also gave the woman who lived next door to Kidney her Swedish hymn book after she`d been in the room to retrieve it.

Lots of evidence backing up his claim....

[lynn cates]

abuser

Hello Velma. Thanks.

Of course, there seems a wide gulf between an abuser of women and one who would go all the way to throat cutting. And I'm not certain that Kidney fell into even the first category.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Velma. Thanks.

Of course, there seems a wide gulf between an abuser of women and one who would go all the way to throat cutting. And I'm not certain that Kidney fell into even the first category.

Cheers.
LC

To be honest Lynn, whatever is within reach at the time may be the only difference.

A man who is aggravated enough to assault his common-law wife will often use whatever he can lay his hands on.
If he had a knife in his pocket, we need look no further. Without a weapon within reach he will likely use his fists or his boots.

I'm not inclined to think that Kidney was her killer but equally I've read no good argument to exclude him unless, the description of BS-man is so remote from that of Michael Kidney that this is the only reasonable consideration against him being a suspect in her murder.

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[DRoy]

Lynn,

Kidney would be a suspect because he was Liz's boyfriend.

Although Tom feels that since Liz lied about some details in her life then it means she was lying about Kidney abusing her. She wanted away from Kidney for some reason so is it a stretch to suggest it was because he was abusing her?

Regardless whether he seems the type, he could be a different person when in drink or when his temper takes over, etc.

Cheers
DRoy

[c.d.]

Lynn,

Kidney would be a suspect because he was Liz's boyfriend.

Although Tom feels that since Liz lied about some details in her life then it means she was lying about Kidney abusing her. She wanted away from Kidney for some reason so is it a stretch to suggest it was because he was abusing her?

Regardless whether he seems the type, he could be a different person when in drink or when his temper takes over, etc.

Cheers
DRoy

Precisely, and the police would have had to have been ten kinds of idiot not to question Kidney and ask him for an alibi. I have to assume that either he provided them with an alibi that checked out or that he was able to convince them of his innocence.

c.d.

[Wickerman]

"Michael Kidney, a morose and rough-spoken man,.."

"The witness at this point began in a most incoherent manner to complain..."

"...he commenced in a sulky manner and in speech very difficult to understand,..."

If Stride had to live with such a man we might understand that at some point in their relationship she realized she could do better.

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[c.d.]

If Stride had to live with such a man we might understand that at some point in their relationship she realized she could do better.

Hello Wickerman,

I think you just described the mindset of most of the women on the planet.

c.d.

[The Good Michael]

Precisely, and the police would have had to have been ten kinds of idiot not to question Kidney and ask him for an alibi. I have to assume that either he provided them with an alibi that checked out or that he was able to convince them of his innocence.

c.d.

And this is the exact same thing for Hutchinson as well. But the sides who choose either as a suspect will always point to the fact that there was no literal information regarding them being checked out.

Mike

[curious4]

Periodic drinking

Lynn,

Kidney would be a suspect because he was Liz's boyfriend.

Although Tom feels that since Liz lied about some details in her life then it means she was lying about Kidney abusing her. She wanted away from Kidney for some reason so is it a stretch to suggest it was because he was abċċċċusing her?

Regardless whether he seems the type, he could be a different person when in drink or when his temper takes over, etc.

Cheers
DRoy

Hello DRoy,

There is a type of alcoholism very common in Sweden known as periodic alcoholism and I think Liz fitted into this category. With this type of alcoholism, the sufferer can be sober for months, only to go on a "bender" and remain hopelessly drunk for days, even weeks, and eventually to sober up for a period, only to repeat the cycle. This, as I know from personal experience, is very distressing for friends and family, especially when the sufferer disappears from home altogether. It would be natural for Kidney to try to prevent this happening. As he said "It was the drink that made her go".

I also think that she was sober when killed. No alcoholic can take just one drink.

Kidney had to have had a cast-iron alibi. The police would have been delighted to arrest him - either to prove that Jack didn't kill Liz, or to charge him with all the murders.

Best wishes,
C4

[lynn cates]

meeting

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"To be honest Lynn, whatever is within reach at the time may be the only difference."

Well. It is refreshing that I don't get a lecture on the rareness of knife murders. I'm with you here.

"A man who is aggravated enough to assault his common-law wife will often use whatever he can lay his hands on."

Completely agree.

"If he had a knife in his pocket, we need look no further. Without a weapon within reach he will likely use his fists or his boots."

Right, again.

Still, I've never heard one decent account about Michael meeting Liz. Perhaps you could supply one?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

abuse

Hello Roy. Thanks.

"Kidney would be a suspect because he was Liz's boyfriend."

Of course--by me, anyway. But at some point, such is placed on the back burner without something tangible.

"She wanted away from Kidney for some reason so is it a stretch to suggest it was because he was abusing her?"

Yes, a bit. Did Liz ever even once hint at abuse? (Yes, she had him up on a charge once, but dropped it.)

Cheers.
LC