6d. Did Liz spend it, or die for it?

[Bridewell]

There is no evidence any interruption occurred,

What would constitute evidence, Michael? There was only one cut to the throat and the left carotid artery was only partially severed. That can be (and is) advanced as a different MO, but could it not also be the same MO - but interrupted? For me Stride could be a non-Ripper murder or an incomplete one. I'm completely undecided.

[lynn cates]

interruption

Hello Colin. I can understand how an interruption can lead to not mutilating. But I cannot understand how an "interruption" accounts for a less deep wound?

Cheers.
LC

[Bridewell]

Hello Colin. I can understand how an interruption can lead to not mutilating. But I cannot understand how an "interruption" accounts for a less deep wound?

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn,

Nor can I, but I also cannot understand why a different knife indicates a different killer.

[c.d.]

Regarding the interruption theory, we always need to keep in mind that Liz was not the only woman in Whitechapel and if Jack were caught he would be hanged as opposed to a stern lecture and a couple of weeks of community service.

In other words, get while the gettin' was good and find another victim as soon as possible which I believe was exactly what he did.

c.d.

[c.d.]

Hello DRoy,

It wouldn't necessarily have to be an actual physical interruption just a surge of paranoia. If that were the case, I can see Jack simply stepping back into the shadows until he feels more confident. If that confidence never returned, it would make sense to get out of there ASAP and seek greener pastures.

So again, and this bears repeating, it is entirely possible that an interruption occurred and for which there would be NO EVIDENCE.

c.d.

[RivkahChaya]

Hi Lynn,

Nor can I, but I also cannot understand why a different knife indicates a different killer.

In general, it wouldn't, but are we talking Stride vs. Eddowes? I suppose it's possible he carried more than one large knife with him, but since he didn't seem to have a bag to put the apron in, he probably was carrying the knife in a pocket, or a holster, so that really limits how many he can carry. Considering how fast he would have had to get to Mitre Square, which alone makes me question Stride as a victim, I doubt he went home for a different knife.

[c.d.]

I was under the impression that some board members recently made the trip to Mitre Square and that the alloted time was easily done.

c.d.

[DRoy]

c.d.

Surge of paranoia? Why put himself in that position in the first place? Why not just kill a sure thing with less people around in a safer location? Not that he did in any of the other murders before or after. I guess this particular night just wasn't his night...oh wait, it was only a short time later!

I'm not saying he had to be wreckless or daring but he did put himself in situations that wouldn't have been easy to get out of if caught. That's at least confidence. The locations weren't off the tracks in the middle of a field...they were in busy places where others were sure to pass.

Unless he blind-folded himself for a challenge and had his earphones pumping hop-hop, I don't know how he couldn't see or hear someone until they were right on him and enough to spook him.

It's not that I don't think Stride is a Ripper victim but as you can see, I have a hard time believing the interruption theory and a few of the others.

Cheers
DRoy

[c.d.]

Hi DRoy,

I don't think that we want to equate a serial killer with a bank robber cooling casing the bank and evaluating all of his options. It might be that the desire to kill took precedence over common sense. He might have realized when initially talking to Liz that he was taking a big chance with a building full of men right nearby. Now let's theorize that the desire to kill Liz is overwhelming and he goes ahead despite just close proximity to the club. Let's also theorize that Liz cries out or that there is a surge in the singing coming from the club. Anything can generate paranoia. Just because he was confident in previous killings doesn't necessarily mean he was fearless this time unless he was actually a robot rather than a human being. Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper, bailed on a kill I believe seven times, on some occasions based on nothing more than paranoia from his own mind.

He already had the thrill of the kill. There were other women in Whitechapel. Why risk being caught and hanged?

c.d.

[DRoy]

c.d.

Yes i guess anything is possible hence people are torn whether Stride is a victim or not.

But taking the anything is possible scenario out for a bit and just pay attention to the evidence and what we know of serial killers. It's been said time and time again that this killing doesn't match the others. Again, not saying she wasn't a Ripper victim, just saying it doesn't match what happened before or after her murder. Weapon? Different. Mutilations? No. Viciousness? No. Etc etc. Regarding serial killing, it would be rare for mutilations in two murders then not then mutilations in two more.

So in my opinion, yes it's possible she's a Ripper victim. I just believe there are too many discrepancies with this murder to make me sure of it.

Cheers
DRoy

[Wickerman]

I was under the impression that some board members recently made the trip to Mitre Square and that the alloted time was easily done.

c.d.

Hmm, but were they drunk when they did it?

[c.d.]

DRoy,

There are discrepancies in all of the C5 murders. The question is can they be explained in a simple and plausible way.

Look at the prevalence of smash and grab robberies. The thief sees a store front window containing valuable merchandise. Jewelry, electronics, cashmere sweaters, whatever. He picks up a rock, smashes the window, grabs what he can carry and runs off. Now, more often than not he leaves behind valuable merchandise. Are we to believe that he didn't want those things? Possibly, but a more likely explanation is that he felt taking the time to grab additional items would increase the likelihood of being caught.

Jack might have used a different weapon than he used in the previous murders. Viciousness? Well it was a wound that was sufficient enough to kill his victim. Mutilation? Like our smash and grab thief, he had the thrill of the kill so he didn't go away empty handed. Would he have like to have mutilated Liz? Most likely. But again, smash and grab, take what you can, avoid being caught, and continue the war another day.

c.d.

[c.d.]

Most likely. But that would slow their pace down rather than increase it would it not? Unless they were looking for the nearest bathroom.

c.d.

[Wickerman]

Weapon? Different.

The wound to Stride's throat was a slicing wound so the weapon could have been any length, any width, the type of knife could not be established.

.

[lynn cates]

twise as nise

Hello Colin. Thanks.

"Nor can I, but I also cannot understand why a different knife indicates a different killer."

Fair enough. It need not. But is the question about two knives the same night?

Cheers.
LC