6d. Did Liz spend it, or die for it?

[lynn cates]

"Lookin' for love in all the wrong places."

Hello Caroline.

"I think I would have given up before hanging around that club at gone half past midnight"

Or looking for a client there.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

cutting remarks

Hello Gwyneth. Thanks.

Did not the doctor say between 12.46 and 12.56? But if Dimshits arrived at 1.00 . . . ?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

oxymoron

Hello Abby.

"she playing hard to get"

A lady of easy virtue playing hard to get? Might be an oxymoron on the order of "free-spending Scotsman."

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hi caz
I think stride may have met her man in or around a pub first (best and gardner) and spent some time with him walking around (marshal and PC smith)as they played their little game of cat and mouse. He trying to get her into an alleyway and she playing hard to get. They just happened to be by the club when the sh1t hit the fan, so to speak.

I'm not sure if you just said what I think you just said..

If you did, why have you been quiet for so long...

[curious]

Hello Abby.

"she playing hard to get"

A lady of easy virtue playing hard to get? Might be an oxymoron on the order of "free-spending Scotsman."

Cheers.
LC

Actually, I suspect that the way a "lady of easy virtue" acted when conducting business might be very different from what she would do when considering a potential "real" relationship.

Anyone else have ideas in this area?


curious

[curious]

Hi caz
I think stride may have met her man in or around a pub first (best and gardner) and spent some time with him walking around (marshal and PC smith)as they played their little game of cat and mouse. He trying to get her into an alleyway and she playing hard to get. They just happened to be by the club when the sh1t hit the fan, so to speak.

Abby,
Thanks for this. It's worded in just such a way that I feel echoes from some of the other canonicals.

curious

[lynn cates]

first order of business

Hello Velma. Thanks.

"I suspect that the way a "lady of easy virtue" acted when conducting business might be very different from what she would do when considering a potential "real" relationship."

Business like, perhaps?

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

Hello Velma. Thanks.

"I suspect that the way a "lady of easy virtue" acted when conducting business might be very different from what she would do when considering a potential "real" relationship."

Business like, perhaps?

Cheers.
LC

No, Lynn,
You seem to have completely missed the point I was trying to make.

A working girl might have been "all business" when working, but when facing the possibility of what she believed might be an actual relationship with some promise --- well, I suspect business flew out the window and she might have been ruled by "emotion" or hormones, or whatever the devil rules such things.

[curious4]

Time after time

Hello Gwyneth. Thanks.

Did not the doctor say between 12.46 and 12.56? But if Dimshits arrived at 1.00 . . . ?

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

I don't think any of the times were 100% accurate, were they? And if she was still bleeding when found, she can't have had her throat cut at 12.46 and it is unlikely to have been 12.56. The good doctors had no reason to be precise, they couldn't possibly know we'd still be arguing
about it 125 years on and couldn't have been exact even if they'd wanted to.

Best wishes,
Gwyneth

[lynn cates]

devil indeed

Hello Velma. Thanks.

Ah, so not soliciting?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Por que no?

Hello Gwyneth. Thanks.

Why not 12.56?

Cheers.
LC

[curious4]

Por que?

Hello Lynn,

Ok, small possibility that she could still be bleeding after five minutes (more likely if she had medical help - not quite sure what is meant by that, presumably they would be trying to help her live, not to die more slowly). If she was still bleeding just after one, she couldn't have been dead then. No-one touched her until Spooner lifted her chin, after the club members arrived and blood was still trickling - not clotted, which would have taken fifteen minutes. (Why do I get the feeling I'm digging a hole for myself here?)

All the best,
Gwyneth

[curious]

Hello Velma. Thanks.

Ah, so not soliciting?

Cheers.
LC

Don't you think that possibility exists?

Velma

[curious]

Hello Lynn,

(Why do I get the feeling I'm digging a hole for myself here?)

All the best,
Gwyneth

Perhaps because you are? Hole digging is far too easy here.

I did a little research (very little) and found a range of 3 to 19 minutes for the bleeding -- depending on the person's health, diet, etc.

curious

[curious4]

Unless....

Hello again Lynn,

This has just occured to me. One of the doctors remarked that Liz had lost more blood than he would have expected for her height and size (read this ten minutes ago and now can't find it again). What if Liz suffered from haemophilia type C? This would really mess things up (thank you, Dorothy Sayers). Type C can occur in both men and women, is most prevalent in Spanish jews (8%) (think we can rule this out in Liz's case, although Gothenburg is a busy port), and occurs in 1% of other populations. Type C sufferers do not have problems with cuts and so on, but can have problems with surgery (if you can call a cut throat surgery). I had a friend who was diagnosed with this after she lost a lot of blood during a C-section with her second child (first pregnancy and birth normal). In her case (she was irish) I think possibly spaniards may have been involved way back due to the influx of spaniards after the Armada, or she could have been one of the 1%. She only found out that she had it after a letter from the good old swedsih national health saying "you have haemophilia, enclosed a brochure for your information" (sorry, musn't knock the swedish health system, excellent, although a tad short on the gentle touch), was in her late twenties and had had no problems until then.

If Liz did have haemophilia type C, this would knock out all bleeding and clotting times, as far as I can see she would have bled for longer, but clot eventually (although I'm far from an expert on this.

Best wishes,

Gwyneth