Was Stride Really a JtR Victim?

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  • cts2914
    Cadet
    • Apr 2013
    • 2

    #151
    Originally posted by RavenDarkendale View Post
    I was wondering what percentage of a chance others of you would give that there actually WAS a double event, i.e. that both Elizabeth Stride and Catherine Eddows were killed by JtR. I am willing to go 60% against Stride being a victim. As audacious as JtR seemed to be, I think he would have risked at least one abdomen slash regardless of the chance of being caught. After all, there is the timing of the Kate Eddows murder and mutilation between PC's walking a set beat.

    God bless

    Darkendale
    Stride was killed by a local gang

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    • DVV
      Suspended
      • Apr 2008
      • 6014

      #152
      Hi CTS

      Welcome.
      And thanks for that info.

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      • Phil H
        Superintendent
        • Jul 2010
        • 2362

        #153
        cts2914, welcome to Casebook.

        Stride was killed by a local gan

        I too have a strong suspicion that Stride was not a Ripper victim - but my money would be on Kidney (her former lover).

        Can you please explain a little more about you thinking re a gang? I'm interested.

        Phil

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        • Digalittledeeperwatson
          Sergeant
          • Oct 2012
          • 635

          #154
          Hullo Phil

          Me thinks someone would enjoy counting your money. And a gang? Maybe some anarchists? Heh heh. Couldn't resist. Apologies.
          Valour pleases Crom.

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          • lynn cates
            Commisioner
            • Aug 2009
            • 13841

            #155
            rep

            Hello CTS. Welcome to the boards.

            Do you think BSM was a representative of the gang?

            Cheers.
            LC

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            • Phil H
              Superintendent
              • Jul 2010
              • 2362

              #156
              Me thinks someone would enjoy counting your money.

              Oh, I think it's safe, Digalittledeeperwatson.

              I think time will reveal that Stride was not a JtR victim. Whether her killer was Kidney is another thing - but it's a reasonable bet, IMHO.

              Since I know nothing of what the poster suggesting a "gang" has in mind, I'll reserve judgement until I hear his/her reasoning.

              Phil

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              • DRoy
                Sergeant
                • May 2012
                • 695

                #157
                Welcome CTS,

                Just a heads up since you're new to the boards...

                It is a good idea to follow up with an explanation of evidence when providing an absolute and direct answer like the one you gave. The how, who, when, what, where questions are a good place to start.

                I look forward to your response.

                Cheers
                DRoy

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                • Digalittledeeperwatson
                  Sergeant
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 635

                  #158
                  Kidney's guilt

                  Based upon what? That he was abusive towards her? This comes from Liz. Who is apparently known to be a liar and an alcoholic. I know these women were murdered horribly but that doesn't make them good honest people. Kidney gets thrown under the horse and cart if you will based on what amounts to basically diddley-squat.
                  Valour pleases Crom.

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                  • Digalittledeeperwatson
                    Sergeant
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 635

                    #159
                    I'm not saying Stride is a "JTR" victim. I'm just not willing to exclude the possibility of it because of convenience.
                    Valour pleases Crom.

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                    • Phil H
                      Superintendent
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 2362

                      #160
                      And I try to keep an open mind, Digalittledeeperwatson.

                      In my view, Kidney is more likely to have killed her than "Jack".

                      His actions after the murder seem unusual to me. The murder, for me, lacks many of the features of a JtR killing - the location seems wrong, and there is no mutilation - of course, I accept that there could be other reasons for that.

                      "Jack", again in my opinion, confined his activities north of Whitechapel High St (though I note recent research that could link Aaron Kosminski to the Berner St area). Moreover, rather than the traditional adjunct of the alleged "double event" involving a frustrated serial killer rushing north to find another victim; I find it far more likely that "Jack" was already probably in search of his only victim of the night, in the Aldgate area.

                      If (and I emphasise the if) Schwartz saw anything, and what he saw was correctly interpreted, in every sense of the word, then what he saw might well fit a vengeful Kidney encountering or finding his former lover and angrily remonstrating with her. What Schwartz appears to have said would also fit a women in Liz's relation to Kidney.

                      End of my explanation. Please don't interpret it as a "theory" or my only thought on the subject, but it is the interpretation I favour most at the moment.

                      Whether you accept it is of no concern to me.

                      Phil

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                      • Digalittledeeperwatson
                        Sergeant
                        • Oct 2012
                        • 635

                        #161
                        What facts are there to substantiate "Liz's situation"? I accept and respect the position you are coming from as a very likely possibility, but there is insufficient verifiable data to make it likely probable. And Schwartz, hey Israel, is this thd man you saw attacking the woman? Also, Kidney having an alibi maybe. It would be the worst police work never done.
                        Valour pleases Crom.

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                        • Digalittledeeperwatson
                          Sergeant
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 635

                          #162
                          And Phil

                          It is not my intent to be disrespectful towards you. I have a great deal of respect for you and your take on things. So if I seem extra hard on you that's why.
                          Valour pleases Crom.

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                          • DRoy
                            Sergeant
                            • May 2012
                            • 695

                            #163
                            Digital,

                            They didn't catch her killer whether it was Kidney, BSM, Pipeman, 'Jack', or anyone else. That's just this murder. They tried. They interviewed everyone they could think of yet still didn't catch him/them. No I don't think they were stupid, perhaps their killer(s) were that sneaky or lucky.

                            Cheers
                            DRoy

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                            • caz
                              Premium Member
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 10622

                              #164
                              Originally posted by DRoy View Post
                              Caz,

                              The problem with saying that it was at least a little loud is that nobody claims to have heard it. Yes there was music from the club but did it drown out the three screams?

                              In my opinion it's one more piece of Schwartz that nobody can verify and doesn't seem to make sense. Maybe the screams weren't loud because there was no three screams.

                              Cheers
                              DRoy
                              But DRoy, the screams were loud, according to our only willing witness, just not very loud, which could indeed suggest not loud enough to be heard within the walls of the club. We already know that nobody was around to see Schwartz, BS man, Pipeman or Stride, so who would have been around to hear three not very loud screams?

                              Love,

                              Caz
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                              "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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                              • The Good Michael
                                Assistant Commissioner
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 3773

                                #165
                                Originally posted by caz View Post
                                But DRoy, the screams were loud, according to our only willing witness, just not very loud,
                                Schwartz may have meant that he heard her scream, but the sounds from the club and/or the street drowned the screams out a bit.

                                Mike
                                huh?

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