The Schwartz/BS Man situation - My opinion only

[The Baron]

You have been caught with your pants down, crying and screaming Mum Mum please Mum I was kidding I was kidding don't take me seriously, will not help you







The Baron

[GBinOz]

The exercise of using my fly-swatter is enough George. I just don’t like trolls.

Yeah? We'll have that carved on your headstone.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Joking huh , not lying ?!



Mckenzie is irrelevant huh ?!





The Baron

Illiteracy is no excuse for your post Baron.

You used 2 quotes, one that you used had a after it which any child could understand it was a joke. Reading the post in full would also prove the obvious to anyone with half a brain. The other post agrees with everything that I’ve said in that if it could be proved. Which means that it hasn’t been proved. Which everyone knows except for you.

Then you ignore the 6 quotes that PROVE that you lied.

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“Im doubtful about Mackenzie as a ripper victim (although she might have been one) but her murder is far, far more similar to a ripper murder than that of Ellen Bury.?

Or this….

“ I’ve always admitted the possibility that she might have been but that it’s a point that’s been debated without conclusion for years”

Or this….

“It’s pointless for you to keep resorting to this desperation. Tabram and Mackenzie were not definite ripper victims. They might have been; they might not have been”

Or this….

“Just a very simple example. You speak of the Mackenzie murder as if it’s an accepted fact that she was a ripper victim. This poll showed that 27 posters felt that she was and 21 thought that she wasn’t and 19 were undecided.”

Or this…..

“This doesn’t prove anything at all but it certainly shows that it’s far from being proven that she was a victim”

Or this…..

“She might or might not have been. No one can possibly know because we weren’t there.

So what are you Baron? Illiterate or a liar? You post what everyone can see was a joke complete with . I post proper quotes.

Ill go for liar……PROVEN!!!

[The Baron]

>> Mackenzie couldn’t have been a ripper victim because Druitt was dead

>> Mackenzie and Coles are irrelevant unless it can be proven that they were victims of the ripper. And it can’t.



Mckenzie couldn't have been a ripper victim!

Mckenzie is irrelevant!




Why don't you do something other than ripperology if Mckenzie is irrelevant?! Huh?!

You have been proved wrong in your own words!

Now enjoy being defeated!



The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

>> Mackenzie couldn’t have been a ripper victim because Druitt was dead

>> Mackenzie and Coles are irrelevant unless it can be proven that they were victims of the ripper. And it can’t.



Mckenzie couldn't have been a ripper victim!

Mckenzie is irrelevant!




Why don't you do something other than ripperology if Mckenzie is irrelevant?! Huh?!

You have been proved wrong in your own words!

Now enjoy being defeated!



The Baron

You are a proven liar. It’s in black and white. No matter how many moronic comments you make. Liar.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Knock it off chaps.

[Michael W Richards]

Alice McKenzie is far more likely to have been killed by the serial abdominal mutilator nicknamed Jack the Ripper than Liz Stride was.

Bond..."I see in this murder evidence of similar design to the former Whitechapel murders, viz. sudden onslaught on the prostrate woman, the throat skillfully and resolutely cut with subsequent mutilation, each mutilation indicating sexual thoughts and a desire to mutilate the abdomen and sexual organs. I am of opinion that the murder was performed by the same person who committed the former series of Whitechapel murder."

The problem with the Canonical Group is that its become a blind trust issue. Barring any future discovery of connective tissue as it were. If you take apart the opinion constructs about these murders and assess on a murder by murder basis, its clear that at least 2 of the Canonical Group were not very similar to previously tagged JtR murders. But Alice was similar to those early kills. The man (men) who killed the first 2 Canonicals could have killed Alice.

But that would mean things like there never was a suspect in a seaside home, that Druit or Isenschmidt was not that killer, that the murders that are not similar in the Canonical Group were likely killed by other parties and that that the "Ripper" murders continued on after 1888. Things people dont like to consider.

But if Alice was killed by the same man that killed Polly and Annie the continuity in behaviour and actions would eliminate unlike murders, if he carried on with the same kind of focus into 1889.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Alice McKenzie is far more likely to have been killed by the serial abdominal mutilator nicknamed Jack the Ripper than Liz Stride was.

Bond..."I see in this murder evidence of similar design to the former Whitechapel murders, viz. sudden onslaught on the prostrate woman, the throat skillfully and resolutely cut with subsequent mutilation, each mutilation indicating sexual thoughts and a desire to mutilate the abdomen and sexual organs. I am of opinion that the murder was performed by the same person who committed the former series of Whitechapel murder."

The problem with the Canonical Group is that its become a blind trust issue. Barring any future discovery of connective tissue as it were. If you take apart the opinion constructs about these murders and assess on a murder by murder basis, its clear that at least 2 of the Canonical Group were not very similar to previously tagged JtR murders. But Alice was similar to those early kills. The man (men) who killed the first 2 Canonicals could have killed Alice.

But that would mean things like there never was a suspect in a seaside home, that Druit or Isenschmidt was not that killer, that the murders that are not similar in the Canonical Group were likely killed by other parties and that that the "Ripper" murders continued on after 1888. Things people dont like to consider.

But if Alice was killed by the same man that killed Polly and Annie the continuity in behaviour and actions would eliminate unlike murders, if he carried on with the same kind of focus into 1889.

Alice Mackenzie might or might not have been a ripper victim as I always said (despite my stalkers lies). Exactly the same applies to Stride. Trying to eliminate her due to the lack of mutilation when a possible explanation for this exists is dire. Please look up the the meaning of ‘interruption.’

Its difficult to take an opinion about Mackenzie and Stride from a man who believes that Chapman and Eddowes were killed by different men.

[GBinOz]

Its difficult to take an opinion about Mackenzie and Stride from a man who believes that Chapman and Eddowes were killed by different men.

From the summary by the Coroner Mr. Wynne E. Baxter at the Inquest for Elizabeth Stride referring to her injuries:
There had been no skilful mutilation as in the cases of Nichols and Chapman, and no unskilful injuries as in the case in Mitre-square - possibly the work of an imitator;

The Coroner believed that Chapman and Eddowes were killed by different men.

Cheers, George

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Hi Caz,

I have been living in fear and dread that someone was going to ask for that reference. I'm sure you've experienced the frustration of looking for a reference that you read sometime in the past.
Never the less I have found the one I was thinking of....sort of...my memory seems to have mixed it in with the poor weather quote to which you referred. Anyway here it is:-
From the Irish Times 1 Oct 1888:
Lewis, who is now found to have been on the spot rather than Koster, is the steward at the Socialist Club at No. 40, and in addition he travels in some drapery goods, the purchase of which, according to his friends necessitated his attending last night's market. He seems to have returned home about a quarter to 1, and to have proceeded up the entry which, though not narrow, is a very dark one, for the purpose of putting up his pony and trap.

Continuing that quote...

While proceeding along the wall of No. 40, which is to the north of the entry, he stumbled against something which he presently discovered to be the body of a woman, and at first feared was that of his wife.

...we get another reference to the cart colliding with the body. At least half ton of pony, cart and driver collides with a human lucky to be a tenth that amount. Where are the collision injuries on the victim? It is obvious why Diemschitz had to 'upgrade' his discovery story to the pony shy/whip prod version.

On entering his door however, he found Mrs Lewis waiting for him, and explaining that a woman was lying outside, he asked a man who was in the house to come outside with him. A match was struck, and the men were horrified to see a great quantity of blood on the ground.

Funny how in Arbeter Fraint, Kozebrodsky goes in the exact opposite direction...

From excitement he jumped off the cart, ran through the back door into the club and raised an alarm. Immediately Comrade Gilyarovsky ran into the printing shop and editor's office that are located in the same building as the club, but separated in the back by the yard.
There was no one in the printing shop. Comrades Krants and Yaffa were busy in the editor's office.

Then when the match is struck, it is actually struck by Eagle, and Diemschitz is absent!

Comrades Morris Eygel, Fridenthal and Gilyarovsky were standing around the body. Eygel struck a match and shouted to the figure lying there: Get up!

Where was Diemschitz at this point? Where was the pony & cart?

[DJA]

Near the kitchen door.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Near the kitchen door.

And Diemschitz was behind the kitchen door? I thought he returned to the body, with Kozebrodsky?

The traditional story is incoherent. Not many people seem to mind.

[DJA]

Lewis Dienishitz [Diemschutz], having affirmed, deposed: I reside at No. 40 Berner-street, and am steward of the International Workmen's Club. I am married, and my wife lives at the club too, and assists in the management. On Saturday I left home about half-past eleven in the morning, and returned exactly at one o'clock on Sunday morning. I noticed the time at the baker's shop at the corner of Berner-street. I had been to the market near the Crystal Palace, and had a barrow like a costermonger's, drawn by a pony, which I keep in George-yard Cable-street. I drove home to leave my goods. I drove into the yard, both gates being wide open. It was rather dark there. All at once my pony shied at some object on the right. I looked to see what the object was, and observed that there was something unusual, but could not tell what. It was a dark object. I put my whip handle to it, and tried to lift it up, but as I did not succeed I jumped down from my barrow and struck a match. It was rather windy, and I could only get sufficient light to see that there was some figure there. I could tell from the dress that it was the figure of a woman.
[Coroner] You did not disturb it? - No. I went into the club and asked where my wife was. I found her in the front room on the ground floor.
[Coroner] What did you do with the pony? - I left it in the yard by itself, just outside the club door. There were several members in the front room of the club, and I told them all that there was a woman lying in the yard, though I could not say whether she was drunk or dead. I then got a candle and went into the yard, where I could see blood before I reached the body.
[Coroner] Did you touch the body? - No, I ran off at once for the police. I could not find a constable in the direction which I took, so I shouted out "Police!" as loudly as I could. A man whom I met in Grove- street returned with me, and when we reached the yard he took hold of the head of the deceased. As he lifted it up I saw the wound in the throat.
[Coroner] Had the constables arrived then? - At the very same moment Eagle and the constables arrived.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

I know the story, Dave. Perhaps tell me who Diemschitz ran off with. Was it Isaacs?

Eagle at inquest: ... a member named Gilleman came upstairs and said, "There is a dead woman lying in the yard." I went down in a second, and struck a match. I could then see a woman lying on the ground, near the gateway, and in a pool of blood. Her feet were about six or seven feet from the gate, and she was lying by the side of the club wall, her head being towards the yard. Another member, named Isaac, was with me at the time. As soon as I saw the blood I got very excited and ran away for the police.

Apparently not. So was it ... Isaacs?

Diemschitz in the Irish Times: A member named Isaacs went down into the yard with me, and we struck a match. We saw blood right from the gate up the yard Then we both went for the police, but unfortunately it was several minutes before we could find a constable. At last another member of the club named Eagle, who ran out after us and went in a different direction, found one in Commercial road.

Apparently it was. Or was it?

Eagle at inquest: When I got outside I saw Jacobs and another going for the police in the direction of Fairclough-street, and I then went to the Commercial-road, all the time shouting "Police!"

Apparently it was not. Or was it?

Kozebrodsky in the Irish Times: I went to look for a policeman at the direction of Diemshitz or some members of the club. I went in the direction of Grove street, and could not find one. I afterwards went into the Commercial road, and there along with Eagle I found two officers.

Apparently it was.

[DJA]

As usual, you are picking poorly reported newspaper articles to waste our time.

Welcome to my ignore list.