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  • Michael W Richards
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    "Healthy speculation...there may be something to it..."..seems like it was a generally positive piece Jon. I personally do not believe that 3 men worked in tandem killing, seems a tad far to go for answers that may be much closer at hand. I do think that the club staffers misled the investigation, I think one due to his role in charge there, and the other due to the fact that he had arranged to meet the victim that night.

    What Israel Schwartz offers is a tonic for their fears of discovery of their deception...whatever it was, ..some events like the initial discovery transpiring earlier than they said, protecting someone at the club who did the deed, protecting the club from further scrutiny....Israel and BSM give them an "aha" moment,...see officers, a gentile anti-Semite was assaulting the poor woman outside the gates just before she was murdered....

    If you look at what Israel claims though, there is real reason to doubt the veracity. He claims he was returning from the market, so why is he on Berner Street instead of Brick Lane at 12:45 at night? Surely no-one believes his story he was checking to see if his wife had finished moving...she had ALL DAY to move what likely was very little, he likely wouldn't have left her all day if it involved some heavy lifting. Immigrant Jews had nothing...no furniture to speak of, hardly any clothes, why would his wife need 13 hours to move that? It was far more likely she would be at their new home at that time. Where on Berner Street did he live as of that morning? Was he in one of the cottages inside the passageway? Was he a club member or regular? What was the nature of his acquaintance with Woolf Wess? What did he buy or sell that day..if he bought, where was that stuff? Did he attend the meeting that night? Why doesn't he come forward before Sun evening? Why doesn't Goldstein come forward before Tuesday evening...we already know Fanny saw someone. Why does Issac K claim he was sent out alone, by Louis, at around the same time Schwartz later says he saw the "altercation"? Why doesn't Louis mention that? If you have stories based on only the word of individuals vs the word of 4 corroborated accounts of events, which would you gravitate towards?

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  • Wickerman
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    Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
    Randy Williams had this whole thing scoped out if you guys would only take heed.
    You sound a tad more positive than the last opinion piece you wrote about him.
    Anything changed?
    https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...928#post554928

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  • Michael W Richards
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    Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
    Randy Williams had this whole thing scoped out if you guys would only take heed.
    I hadn't heard of the man Scott, but after looking him up I find his choice of suspects amusing, since Ive championed some mischief ideas about Louis here for what seems like forever now. Only in context of Stride though. I find a terrorism type motive as having possibilities for some of these murders, people seeking social upheaval is a possible source. In fact I believe that Stride may have bene mistaken for someone spying on the club.

    The characterization of Diemshitz and Kozebrodski, in that intro to Mr Williams theory, is perhaps a better angle to approach these club members. Having a bad reputation is one thing, a smoking gun is another. Liz Strides murder could have been that smoking gun. But why would Louis kill her there, presuming she was killed for the same reasons he says the three men killed all the women, essentially to cause dramatic change in the area and challenge laws?

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  • Scott Nelson
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    Randy Williams had this whole thing scoped out if you guys would only take heed.

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  • Michael W Richards
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    Good post Josh, I don't recall seeing that though Im sure I have over the years. That cart and pony sound after Fanny has gone inside is admittedly difficult to reconcile with what I believe is the truth among the chaff in these stories, but if it was as narrow as he claims, they might have had to move it on out for beginning of the investigation. The stables were investigated that night and were unused, I dont recall any police observation of the cart after they were on the scene. My real problem here is that by far a majority of witnesses claimed to have been in that passageway over a dying woman, with very little variance.. at around 12:45. If we leave peripheral problems aside, like Schwartz and the question of Browns ID, and we presume some timings for Fanny, at her door "off and on" during this time period, there isn't really a huge problem accepting those 4 witness times. Eagle "couldn't be sure" whether a body was there at 12:40, and he walked right past the spot where Liz would be.

    A street cant be deserted, then suddenly populated, then suddenly deserted again in a most probable scenario, sure, it could have been like that, but seemingly orchestrated events for me reek of imagination rather than recollection. The "goods" in Louis's cart would have to be offloaded regardless of the goings on, and Im not sure how late he could have accessed George Yard to stable the horse. There might be some traction in that.

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