Stride Bruising

[mariab]

That's literally the entire point I've been making and that you've been disagreeing with.

Tom, I'm NOT disagreeing at all with what you're saying about chachous clinging to coins etc.! :-)

If my interpretation is correct, then clearly the money and cachous were in a pocket all their own. Stride had many in which to use.

Agree again, and THAT'S where my problem with the (faked) mugging comes from. He would have asked her to empty ALL her pockets. Plus there was no stuff around her feet on the ground other than the cachous Dr. Johnston apparently spilled.

[Hunter]

Compare this with Annie Chapman, who had no money, and told her killer this. She was then told to empty her pockets, which she did. The items were knocked to the ground by her feet, being worthless. The killer then took the rings from her fingers...this was done while she was living, you know.

Chapman's 'pockets' were similar to a modern nail apron used by construction workers; tied around the waste with an attached string. It would have been under her outer garments. This was the one item that Chapman's murderer ripped apart... after she was deader than a doornob.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Hunter. Let me have some of the bbq and I might tell you something you don't know.

Hi Maria. So you're agreeing and disagreeing at the same time? That must account for my confusion. As I was saying, if she handed him her money, which apparently she did, since she should have had some on her, and didn't, and her clothes were not interfered with after death, then he wouldn't have had cause to ask her to empty her pockets. Hunter tells us he didn't do this with Chapman, which might of course be correct, but as Chapman had no money and would have had to confess as much, he took her rings instead.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

So you're agreeing and disagreeing at the same time? That must account for my confusion.

As I was saying, if she handed him her money, which apparently she did, since she should have had some on her, and didn't, and her clothes were not interfered with after death, then he wouldn't have had cause to ask her to empty her pockets.

This is a possibility indeed, but haven't you ever been asked by a teacher to empty your pockets? Don't they always say “the other ones too“? (Followed by a beating, lol.)

Plus, what do you make of no objects lying around Stride's feet, unlike with the others?

At any rate, the ONLY relevance the cachous have for me is to indicate that it was a super quick, swift attack. (This awaiting for Cris to hand over his other case with the woman who died holding stuff, that is, after he digests his barbecue and drinks.)

As for Cris claiming that Chapman would have been “deaded than a doorknob“ when her rings were scratched off her, would she have bled from her fingers postmortem?

[lynn cates]

>1

Hello Maria. Such as different blokes.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

disturbing

Hello Tom. Thanks.

"the tissue paper would lodge, like paper money, between the thumb and forefinger; the smaller, heavier coins would be in the palm."

Agreed. The tissue holding the cachous would be between the thumb and forefinger; the coin/s would be clenched under the other 3 fingers.

And I am wondering how he managed to work the coin/s loose without disturbing the cachous only a fraction of an inch away?

Cheers.
LC

[curious4]

Stinky geraniums

I have been puzzling over why geraniums should stink - mine don't - and came across a rfeference to something called "stinky bob" aka herb robert, which is said to smell like burning tyres.

Could this be what you call a geranium in the U,S.? Perhaps I should have said pelargonia?
Dickens calls it a geranium, as one does in England. Or are american geraniums grown originally from "stinky Bob" and do smell bad?

Best wishes,
C4

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Lynn. I don't see why the killer would have had to 'work' anything 'loose'. She would have put the money in his hand.

As for Cris claiming that Chapman would have been “deaded than a doorknob“ when her rings were scratched off her

I didn't see him say that.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Hunter]

I didn't. I was only referring to the pocket.

[mariab]

This was the one item that Chapman's murderer ripped apart... after she was deader than a doornob.

Cris, Tom,
I'm sooo tired, but am I losing my mind or something?

[lynn cates]

grasping person

Hello Tom. Thanks.

"I don't see why the killer would have had to 'work' anything 'loose'. She would have put the money in his hand."

Whilst still grasping the cachous between thumb and forefinger?

Cheers.
LC

[Archaic]

I have been puzzling over why geraniums should stink - mine don't - and came across a rfeference to something called "stinky bob" aka herb robert, which is said to smell like burning tyres.

Could this be what you call a geranium in the U,S.? Perhaps I should have said pelargonia?
Dickens calls it a geranium, as one does in England. Or are american geraniums grown originally from "stinky Bob" and do smell bad?

Hi Curious4.

The confusion is because two different very large families of plants are called "geraniums". One family is called Cranesbill, the other is called Storksbill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geranium

The ones that look like wildflowers might not smell, but whatever the geranium is that's commonly sold in the U.S., yes, they smell awful! I've always hated them for that reason. I wouldn't describe it as a "burning tire", but it's quite unpleasant and would be a very poor choice for a corsage.

Best regards,
Archaic

[curious4]

Smelly geraniums

Hello Archaic,

Much obliged. Seems as though cranebills are the stinky ones, at least in the US . There are wild varieties in the u.k. but I don't remember a particular smell. Presumably the storkbills have evolved into the pelargonia and that is the name for them in Sweden, perfumed or not, while the english name has always been geranium. Possibly Liz would have been better off with a cranebill, herb robert is supposed to keep mosquitoes at bay and might have put Jack off somewhat!

Best wishes,
C4

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Lynn, Yes, while doing that. Are you taking the piss?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

operations

Hello Tom. You mean "multi-tasking"?

Cheers.
LC