Stride Bruising

[Damaso Marte]

Lynn,

I am new to posting, but I have been reading this forum for several months, and I must say that I admire your methodological rigor, even if I disagree with your grand conclusion. I've watched your re-enactment of the Stride murder on YouTube and it is quite excellent.

In your model, is the reason that Stride is not found with any money simply that she had none on her at the time of her death?

[Tom_Wescott]

I haven't seen Lynn's youtube video on Stride, but it's wrong.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

is the reason that Stride is not found with any money simply that she had none on her at the time of her death?

Stride HAD money on her prior to going out that evening, plus she met several clients, which would have meant her gaining even more money. Either she spent all of it on drinks, or her assailant took it from her.

The problem with Lynn's (and his wife's) reenactment of the attack on Stride is that they positioned the camera in the wrong spot. All the action takes part with the camera on their back and too far away. :-)

[lynn cates]

spending money

Hello Damaso. Thanks. Welcome to the boards.

Yes, I think she spent it on the flower and cachous.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

data points

Hello Tom. Thanks. The video, whether right or wrong, was inspired by Dr. Blackwell's take. And it does accommodate ALL the data points.

As I said at the top of that thread, I look forward to alternate versions.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

re-enact

Hello Maria. Thanks.

"Stride HAD money on her prior to going out that evening . . . "

Quite.

" . . . plus she met several clients . . . "

How do we know that? Did the medical examiner find any trace of such phenomena?

" . . . which would have meant her gaining even more money."

Then where was it?

"Either she spent all of it on drinks . . . "

And what did the medical examiner have to say about that?

" . . . or her assailant took it from her."

Or perhaps, besides the 6d, she had NO money at all?

"The problem with Lynn's (and his wife's) reenactment of the attack on Stride is that they positioned the camera in the wrong spot. All the action takes part with the camera on their back and too far away."

Then let's correct that. I have a student who thinks he can get use of a warehouse free for another go. Why not you and Tom make a list of scenarios to re-enact? (I still have the cardboard and styrofoam knife.)

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Lynn. I was having a joke with you. Obviously if I haven't seen it, I can't comment.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

collaboration

Hello Tom. Thanks. I love humour.

Perhaps you and I and Maria should collaborate on some forensics in the Stride case? Could prove beneficial to all. And agreement is not required.

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

Or you and I could collaborate, and then Maria could just agree with me. It would save time.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

How long is it?

Hello Tom. Not sure about that. Her posts might be longer.

Cheers.
LC

[Abby Normal]

Hello Tom. Thanks. The video, whether right or wrong, was inspired by Dr. Blackwell's take. And it does accommodate ALL the data points.

As I said at the top of that thread, I look forward to alternate versions.

Cheers.
LC

Hi LC
Do you have the link for me? Would love to see it!

[lynn cates]

here

Hello Abby. Your wish is my command, Effendi.

Cheers.
LC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a95rqNxxbiM

[Michael W Richards]

The stumbling block

Hi all,

The main "theories" discussed either rely on Liz Stride being actively engaged in prostitution on that night or a premise that she was not in fact soliciting that evening and was there on other business.

Perhaps it would be beneficial to factor in that Liz Stride left Goteborg after being a nanny and having her name struck off the registered prostitutes list there. Something few other women accomplished apparently. She arrived in London as a charwoman, worked as a domestic, ran a coffee shop and was said by her landlady just after her death that Liz told her she "was at work among the Jews" the past few months. We have a history of legitimate work right up until her death. That she may have had to prostitute herself from time to time qualifies her for the title Unfortunate, not Prostitute. Thats denotes a full time gig I believe.

She was found dead in her "good" evening wear.. (the statement of a resident at the lodging house), and she is found with mints in her hand and a newly purchased flower and maidenfern on her breast. She had no alcohol in her blood.

Seems to me that a nicely dressed charwoman working among the Jews being near a Jewish men's club on the eve of the Jewish High Holidays may make perfect sense. To some anyway.

Best regards,

Mike R

[mariab]

Why not you and Tom make a list of scenarios to re-enact? (I still have the cardboard and styrofoam knife.)

Not a good idea if I collaborate on a physical fight. Even if I promise to hold back, the other "collaborator" won't be able to walk for weeks, not to mention being fed the styrofoam.

Or you and I could collaborate, and then Maria could just agree with me. It would save time.

Well, if I don't agree with you on something, even a small thing, you either go all or talk me up until I do. This thread and your robbery scenario being the best example.

[Michael W Richards]

Well, if I don't agree with you on something, even a small thing, you either go all or talk me up until I do. This thread and your robbery scenario being the best example.

Maria,

Suggesting that the poorest homeless women in the city were being robbed before being murdered isnt the most probable scenario, when you add that the only victim with a pocket obviously ripped is Annie, and that could easily have been done as she lay there dead or dying.

The ONLY victims that we know had ANY pocket money the night they are killed is Liz when she leaves the lodging house, and Mary before she goes out. Polly was earning and drinking...no doss, Annie wasnt earning and likely had her rings wrenched from a dead finger....no doss, Kate had no money listed as contents by the police in the city jail...no doss, and Mary had a few coins Maria gave her....not for doss since she rented weekly and was about 2 1/2 weeks delinquent.

If the killer was a robber, and he was stupid enough to pick the poorest people to rob then he would likely have robbed the victims when they could not resist, not hope that he could scare them into offering up what their pockets contained while they stood there.

And we know that at least in the case of Polly and Annie, robbery wasnt the motive.

Best regards,

Mike R