Stride Bruising

[Garry Wroe]

If we start trusting newspaper reports over testimony of the doctors then we're in trouble.

Agreed.

The odd part is the Police News who commented almost a week after the murder. Old news from first witness statements? That's odd. Unless of course Liz had discoloration as part of the decomposing process that appeared to be bruising?

The IPN was a weekly publication, DRoy, meaning that its news was often a week out of date and thus inaccurate.

[Michael W Richards]

From what I can see this thread appears devoted to the bruising on her chest, but Tom recently raised an issue to me, that it was said there were also bruises on her head, the left side of her face.

"The hypothesis that the wound was inflicted after and not before the woman fell is supported by the fact that there are severe bruises on her left temple and left cheek, thus showing that force must have been used to prostrate her,..."
IPN, 6 Oct.

And..

"There is a severe bruise on the cheek of the unfortunate woman, which may be explained by the theory that the throat was cut while she was standing, and the body allowed to fall heavily upon its side, bringing the cheek into contact with a stone that abuts from the wall just at this point."
Star, 1 Oct.

And yet, Dr Phillips stated:
"On removing the scalp there was no sign of bruising or extravasation of blood between it and the skull-cap."

And the Coroner, in his summary commented:
"There were no marks of gagging, no bruises on the face,.."

So were there bruises on her face or not?
Is it likely the doctors could have missed them or were the marks not bruises at all, just mud?

Dr Phillips:
"Mud on face and left side of the head. Matted on the hair and left side."

Hi Jon,

Since Blackwell stated that it was his belief that she may have been cut "while falling", it does suggest that she was dropped...likely when the scarf is let go of. She lands on her left side and the left side of her face....there really is no issue here. She fell on her left side, and her left side shows us that by the mud and bruising.

BTW...Tom has also suggested the killer robbed Liz, so....

Cheers Jon

[DRoy]

Jon,

I'd think it was mud. If we start trusting newspaper reports over testimony of the doctors then we're in trouble.

The odd part is the Police News who commented almost a week after the murder. Old news from first witness statements? That's odd. Unless of course Liz had discoloration as part of the decomposing process that appeared to be bruising?

Cheers
DRoy

[Wickerman]

From what I can see this thread appears devoted to the bruising on her chest, but Tom recently raised an issue to me, that it was said there were also bruises on her head, the left side of her face.

"The hypothesis that the wound was inflicted after and not before the woman fell is supported by the fact that there are severe bruises on her left temple and left cheek, thus showing that force must have been used to prostrate her,..."
IPN, 6 Oct.

And..

"There is a severe bruise on the cheek of the unfortunate woman, which may be explained by the theory that the throat was cut while she was standing, and the body allowed to fall heavily upon its side, bringing the cheek into contact with a stone that abuts from the wall just at this point."
Star, 1 Oct.

And yet, Dr Phillips stated:
"On removing the scalp there was no sign of bruising or extravasation of blood between it and the skull-cap."

And the Coroner, in his summary commented:
"There were no marks of gagging, no bruises on the face,.."

So were there bruises on her face or not?
Is it likely the doctors could have missed them or were the marks not bruises at all, just mud?

Dr Phillips:
"Mud on face and left side of the head. Matted on the hair and left side."

[DVV]

English Grapes for Dummies, Jon.

[Wickerman]

The grapes available in England then were much smaller. Not much bigger than peas.

If it matters

Do you mind providing a source for this?

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Errata. Thanks.

It just may.

Cheers.
LC

[Errata]

The grapes available in England then were much smaller. Not much bigger than peas.

If it matters

[lynn cates]

the proof of the pudding

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"Then how to determine a black ovoid is a grape, if not by the shape?"

Umm, take a bite? But mind you spit out the pips and skin. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

True, Jon.
That's why I didn't ask who drank Stride's blood ? but who ate the grapes ?

Maybe we are all wrong to assume she ate any grapes, though her companion bought grapes does not mean she ate any.

That which is quite reasonable to believe is not always a foregone conclusion.

Need blood clot in balls to produce the effect of ovoid entities?

Then how to determine a black ovoid is a grape, if not by the shape?

[lynn cates]

Let there be light.

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"Light enough to see cachous?"

Well, light enough to see a piece of light tissue paper. And with what could the contents be confused?

Need blood clot in balls to produce the effect of ovoid entities?

Cheers.
LC

[Observer]

Hi David

I don't know who ate all the grapes, but if you saw me you'd quickly realise who ate all the pies.

Regards

Will .i. am Bunter

[DVV]

Blood does not clot in large round balls.

True, Jon.
That's why I didn't ask who drank Stride's blood ? but who ate the grapes ?

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"What do you think the answer is?"

Well, what's the lighting like?

Cheers.
LC

Light enough to see cachous?

Only blood smears were on her hand, inside and out. Blackwell, Johnson, the Coroner, and Swanson all said so.
Grape shaped lumps of blood (the size of your thumb?) simply do not occur in an open environment. By that I mean blood levels itself out then congeals, in pools or flat smears.

If she had large dark lumps between her fingers it is odd that neither doctor mentioned these large clots, as they would indeed be most unusual. Blood does not clot in large round balls.

[lynn cates]

Grape answer!

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"What do you think the answer is?"

Well, what's the lighting like?

Cheers.
LC