The Murder of Elizabeth Stride

[tji]

But it's really not good to comment about the dead.

yet she did it anyway


Tj

[mariab]

Hi Maria,
There was a time when AP Wolf wrote his posts in such a way that he appeared to be a woman and never bothered to correct posters who made that assumption.

Like in what way? Talking about his feelings, cooking recipes, ironing he had to do, collecting barbie dolls? Typing little hearts over his “i“s? Can you give an example, even paraphrasing, as I expect it to be really entertaining.
Not to go on with the excessive corny, C.D., but I like you too. A lot. And I really love your jokes.
Do we all sound like we're on drugs today, or what? I expect a few people (male) to start tearing up soon.

Quite correct about the question about AP Wolf's gender.
And also in regard to the late David Radka, it's true that it is not nice to speak ill of the dead, however, a lot of posts that he wrote in this forum were on the strange and quirky side. I believe long-time posters will recall that he was banned from posting under his own name and came back using the screen name "Saddam" which was in a way typical of the man.

The one about gender confusion with AP Wolf has totally evaded my newbie awareness. Radka also took the screen name "Mephisto“ and a couple other ones, I think. Sometimes he posted in multiple conversations with himself, both as Radka and Mephisto. But it's really not good to comment about the dead.

For once I’m happy that Maria has spoken for me. LOL.

I'm really embarrassed, Tom, and I wish I hadn't. Most of all I'm deeply embarrassed to have posted the double Mortimer quote over at the Forums.

[c.d.]

Quite correct about the question about AP Wolf's gender.

It did have me quite confused for a while as I had initially assumed that he was a man. I guess it was just his little private joke or more accurately a joke about his privates.

c.d.

[tji]

Ooooh no more posts for me ......snubbed lol!!!!


Hi ChrisG

I don't believe I was on the boards when he was around, certainly sounds like a character.


Not sure if I would describe myself as quirky and strange, but obviously Maria disagrees.

Tj

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi Maria,

There was a time when AP Wolf wrote his posts in such a way that he appeared to be a woman and never bothered to correct posters who made that assumption.

c.d.

Quite correct about the question about AP Wolf's gender.

And also in regard to the late David Radka, it's true that it is not nice to speak ill of the dead, however, a lot of posts that he wrote in this forum were on the strange and quirky side. I believe long-time posters will recall that he was banned from posting under his own name and came back using the screen name "Saddam" which was in a way typical of the man.

Best regards

Chris

[c.d.]

Hi Tom,

Well I still like you if that helps. Not a man crush or anything like that just so we are clear.

c.d.

[c.d.]

Hi Maria,

There was a time when AP Wolf wrote his posts in such a way that he appeared to be a woman and never bothered to correct posters who made that assumption.

c.d.

[Tom_Wescott]

Rob, Monty, Maria

Don't forget to add yourself and Philip into that group.

Quite surprised by Tom's comments. I don't think it was through a lack of imagination that I found the date of Le Grands release from prison in 1906 and that he was arrested for forgery two years later under a new alias. Most of the details for which were found by Debs.

Rob

Thanks, Monty.

He would do well to remember that no one stands alone in this field.

Oh, I’m quite sure I do now.

I'm sure he will when he gets back from work or to work or whatever, but I'd be EXTREMELY surprised if he suddenly came out and insolently insulted the British Ripperologists he admires most deeply. I know with absolute convinction that he thinks the world of you and that Monty's opinion counts very much to him.

For once I’m happy that Maria has spoken for me. LOL. It saddens me that Monty and Rob would so easily expect me to dismiss them as unimaginative newbies who post rude crap about me. Unless they DO run around saying rude crap about me and I just don’t know it. A great display of imagination here, I must say, but not a lot of common sense.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

Tom,
SOOO sorry about Observer and Jon Guy (about whom both I took care to mention the one's excellent articles and the other's excellent pics).
But you see, I was 100% SURE you would never speak ill of Rob or Monty, and I was devastated that they appeared upset.

PS.: I'm registering a pretty high attendance on the thread. Not so much drama since AP times or the late David Radka?

And I'm not so sure I'll make it to the library today. I'm so comfortable still in bed! But if not today, definitely tomorrow. Care to hear what happens if I don't get to the library tomorrow, Tom? Danish book gets back to Danemark without my having consulted it. :-)

[lynn cates]

hope springs eternal

Hello Maria.

"Any chance that info on these could be featured in the SB ledgers?"

That would be lovely.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Other way around. Ripper is his real name.

No way! His REAL name is Ripper and he became a Ripperologist? Was that handed at birth, or what? Is this why he took a pen name for his book, so that the title and the author's name don't sound too redundant?

I remember the days when AP Wolf was the female AP Wolf ...

Puzzling over this...but not getting it. Too newbie.

[Tom_Wescott]

Phil, Stewart, Maria, Monty

I recognise you have a vested interst in promotiong your own theory, but that does not mean we all have to accept it.

This is precisely what I was railing against, Phil. And my only point of contention with your posts on these boards. At some point you decided I’m motivated by some ‘vested interest’. As for ‘promoting my theory’, how many Le Grand threads have I started? Naturally, he comes up from time to time, particularly on Stride threads, but given the shortage of criminals who inserted themselves into the investigation of that crime, surely that’s not such a strange thing? Normally, when I post about Le Grand it’s in response to something that someone else posted. I assure you I’m not trying to push anything down your throat. 95% of what I post regarding the Stride murder or anything is based on research I did prior to taking Le Grand seriously as a suspect. And let me add that I have no ‘smoking gun’, and I am not convinced of any man’s guilt in the murders.

But because a theory has been published does not make it true.

I have not yet published a theory on Le Grand as the Ripper.

It is simply untrue to state 'And no matter how sound my argument is, it will not be accepted by Stewart and many others.' That is paranoid.

It’s not paranoid to suppose that someone who has written me off as ‘tiresome’, ‘fixated’, and a ‘lost cause’ would be unwilling to accept any new ideas coming from me.

I have always favoured the idea that the 'Lusk kidney' did not come from Eddowes. I believe that I have stated that in the past, more than once. And there are arguments to support the case for that contention.

Yep, and I too have never favored the idea of the kidney having come from Eddowes, which is quite inconvenient for me.

Now Thomas. To label Rob Clack, John Bennett and Mark Ripper as lacking in imagination is, I assume, a humourless joke on your part.

These are repsected published authors, whereas your book has yet to see the light of day.

Also, we are both aware that you are not the pioneer in Le Grand research, you tread in the footsteps of others.

You don't want to make enemies of those who feed you.

Where the flip would you even get the idea I was talking about those guys? How many times have I sung the praises of Rob Clack on these boards over the years? To dismiss Rob would almost be tantamount to dismissing Debs, and do you think I could ever do that? And in more recent times I’ve become quite the fan of John Bennett, and to my knowledge none of these guys have given me a hard time. So I’m at a loss as to how you got them from my post, where I thought I was clear that I was referring to newbies who might reasonably conclude that my Stride conclusions came as a result of my Le Grand ‘fixation’, and not vice verse. ‘Walking the London Streets’ was figurative, meaning Ripper researchers without imagination who give me sh**.

And of course I’m not the first person to eye Le Grand with suspicion. First there was George Lusk, then PS James, then Scotland Yard detectives, and a few years later came Gerry Nixon. Then Le Grand lay dead and forgotten until 2005. If I were the first person to think he was suspicious, I would be more deserving of the ‘crack theorist’ label than I feel I am.

I suspect he refers to Observer and Jon Guy, who are VERY acquainted with London, but have demonstrated a lack of real acquaintance with the Stride case. Despite Jon Guy having produced some impressive articles on other Ripper cases, and Observer being an accomplished photographer.
No Ripperologist in his right mind would even dream of chacterizing Rob Clack, Neil Bell, John Bennett, and Mark “Ripper“ as “lacking in imagination“, as it would be the most laughable quote in Ripper history.

Oh my Lord. I was not thinking of anyone in particular but was speaking in generailties. Is there anyone else you guys would like to get pissed at me? Maybe I was talking about Stephen Ryder and Howard Brown? I suppose Jon Guy would qualify as one of the people I was talking about, but since our long ago disputes regarding Stride, my opinion has changed regarding Guy/Simons due to his excellent published work and his thoughtful and in depth posts regarding Polly Nichols. And I’m not sure I’ve had a beef with Observer.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

If you can figure out whom "John" and "Murphy" were, please chat me up. Same with all of Milevsky's contacts at Scotland Yard.

Any chance that info on these could be featured in the SB ledgers? Daring to dream?

[tji]

Hi Chris

I remember the days when AP Wolf was the female AP Wolf ...

Haha don't think I was on the boards then, are we going back a few year?

Tracy

[tji]

Maria


are you the female AP Wolf? Only at least AP Wolf has style and knows damn much about the case. You sound like David Radka unmedicated, only less coherent.[/QUOTE]


This is the best you can do, i'm disappointed.....to insult people who can't argue back is hitting a bit low I think. As for me, I have been insulted by a lot better than you, why even last week a 3 year old did better!


Tracy