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  • lynn cates
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    Is confusing.

    Hello Tom. Thanks.

    But then one must deal with "clerkly man."

    As Inspector Sidney Wang might observe, "Is confusing."

    Cheers.
    LC

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  • Tom_Wescott
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    Originally posted by Bridewell View Post
    Why is this a certainty?


    Tom, I only know of The Bricklayers and The Beehive. Were there others?

    I think she probably was, but I don't see that evidence of a woman visiting more than one pub on the same evening constitutes evidence of soliciting!


    Yours truly,

    Tom Wescott
    The ones you mentioned (except for Beehive; that was Edward Spooner), Queens Head, King George IV, and outside the Berner Street Club, where they served beer, albeit without a license. Men's clubs were a great place for a girl to pick up custom, although I don't know Liz was trying to do that when she was murdered. I'm sure you'd agree that's a good number of establishments for one night. As for it being a certainty that she was with different men that evening, nothing is certain, but the alternative would be that she was with one man who periodically changed clothes and modified his looks with make-up to appear different ages. A known prostitute being seen hanging outside of pubs and often in the company of different men is evidence of soliciting. As for where Stride worked for the Jews, when women of F&D Street said they worked for the Jews it typically meant they cleaned for the Rothschild Building near them. Both Stride and Eddowes likely cleaned there at the same time.

    Yours truly,

    Tom Wescott

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  • Observer
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    Originally posted by Bridewell View Post
    Why is this a certainty?


    Tom, I only know of The Bricklayers and The Beehive. Were there others?

    soliciting!
    The Queens Head

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  • Bridewell
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    Originally posted by Tom_Wescott View Post
    They certainly could not all have been the same man.
    Why is this a certainty?

    But I know what you mean. The value of the earlier sightings is that we find Stride in or outside of a number of pubs through the night and in some of those instances the men are not the same.
    Tom, I only know of The Bricklayers and The Beehive. Were there others?
    So she was not on a 'date', she was soliciting.
    I think she probably was, but I don't see that evidence of a woman visiting more than one pub on the same evening constitutes evidence of soliciting!


    Yours truly,

    Tom Wescott

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  • Bridewell
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    Question: If Liz Stride had been as claimed, "working among the Jews for some weeks" leading up to that last night, would she be likely to go out soliciting at a club populated by Jewish men of the same area? Would she risk being seen prostituting herself by a legitimate client or a friend of one? This woman did have a history of legitimate work in London, ran a coffee house, charwoman, ...is it probable that if she found she had the need to sell herself that she would try and seek out customers who werent likely to also be legitimate clients, endangering that employment?
    Is it probable that the Jews among whom she had been working were also Jews who attended a Club with anarchist sympathies? If not, then the endangering of her employment doesn't come into question, does it?

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