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There seems to be some misunderstanding about the terms Unfortunate and Prostitute in the context of these investigations, suffice to say Unfortunates need not sidle up to any strange man passing by on the streets at night, which is something that may have led the women that WERE selling their wares to their killer. That may be part of the MO....pick up a street whore using the pretense of a customer-provider relationship. And for the record, even in modern times, if someone uses Prostitution as a means to supplement their income, then they are at best part-time prostitutes, whereas women who have no other occupation or source of income other than solicitation, can be fairly and correctly called prostitutes.
And remember,...this isnt some morality position Im taking, this issue is about how the women encountered their killer(s). If this Jack everyone seems to think was prowling about had affected women who resorted to prostitution as a last resort, or women who had jobs but worked late into the night, one might imagine the ONLY females who would be approaching strange men at night were working prostitutes.
Seems to me that in Israels story Liz Stride is rebuffing Broadshouldered Man. And Kates hand on the chest seems to indicate a degree of comfort in the company of Sailor Man. And it occurs to me that Mary Kelly was attacked while in her underwear on her own bed in her own room....so, very unlikely an encounter with a stranger.
What they were doing out on the streets on the early mornings that they were killed on is a key question....to determine the likelihood that a stranger would be able to coerce a woman who was not soliciting into a dark area and attacker her without any appreciable noise. Surely the proximity a working prostitute would have with such a man, the close quarters, would enable a swift attack to be virtually soundless.
But why, when women are being killed in the streets, would a woman not relying on selling herself for her bed that night willingly go somewhere dark with a stranger?
Thats why the answer to Unfortunate Vs Working Prostitute....at the time of their deaths..must be established.
We know Polly was. We hear from a friend and the lodging house that Annie also was. Was Liz? Based on what evidence....recalling the BSM incident. Was Kate? Surely she needed some money...but why in the opposite direction of home and John? Mary did not need to raise one cent the night she was killed, she was already in arrears some 2 weeks rent and even the landlord confessed that he just took what he could get against such debts.
So...of the 5...its within the known evidence to suggest that 2 were soliciting and likely met their killer that way, and 1 other may also have been actively soliciting...we just dont have the evidence to confirm that kind of suspicion for Kate.
IF this killer of Polly and Annie chose them because of their immediate situation...which in both cases was grim at that moment....then he may have had women who made his task easy. IF thats how he killed....then you need to explain what happens to him with Liz....without an unrecorded or missing in any evidence story of interruption.
If Liz was soliciting....why go just inside the passageway? Why not use the empty yard, empty stables, empty office beyond that point. If she wasnt soliciting, and the man was a stranger, then how did this killer get close enough to attack her without any appreciable sounds?
Maybe he was already in the passageway when she entered it. Maybe he was there all night.
Cheers
And remember,...this isnt some morality position Im taking, this issue is about how the women encountered their killer(s). If this Jack everyone seems to think was prowling about had affected women who resorted to prostitution as a last resort, or women who had jobs but worked late into the night, one might imagine the ONLY females who would be approaching strange men at night were working prostitutes.
Seems to me that in Israels story Liz Stride is rebuffing Broadshouldered Man. And Kates hand on the chest seems to indicate a degree of comfort in the company of Sailor Man. And it occurs to me that Mary Kelly was attacked while in her underwear on her own bed in her own room....so, very unlikely an encounter with a stranger.
What they were doing out on the streets on the early mornings that they were killed on is a key question....to determine the likelihood that a stranger would be able to coerce a woman who was not soliciting into a dark area and attacker her without any appreciable noise. Surely the proximity a working prostitute would have with such a man, the close quarters, would enable a swift attack to be virtually soundless.
But why, when women are being killed in the streets, would a woman not relying on selling herself for her bed that night willingly go somewhere dark with a stranger?
Thats why the answer to Unfortunate Vs Working Prostitute....at the time of their deaths..must be established.
We know Polly was. We hear from a friend and the lodging house that Annie also was. Was Liz? Based on what evidence....recalling the BSM incident. Was Kate? Surely she needed some money...but why in the opposite direction of home and John? Mary did not need to raise one cent the night she was killed, she was already in arrears some 2 weeks rent and even the landlord confessed that he just took what he could get against such debts.
So...of the 5...its within the known evidence to suggest that 2 were soliciting and likely met their killer that way, and 1 other may also have been actively soliciting...we just dont have the evidence to confirm that kind of suspicion for Kate.
IF this killer of Polly and Annie chose them because of their immediate situation...which in both cases was grim at that moment....then he may have had women who made his task easy. IF thats how he killed....then you need to explain what happens to him with Liz....without an unrecorded or missing in any evidence story of interruption.
If Liz was soliciting....why go just inside the passageway? Why not use the empty yard, empty stables, empty office beyond that point. If she wasnt soliciting, and the man was a stranger, then how did this killer get close enough to attack her without any appreciable sounds?
Maybe he was already in the passageway when she entered it. Maybe he was there all night.
Cheers
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