Did jack kill liz stride?

[Observer]

No, but that is something that would have been only a rule of entry, it would not have been percieved by gentiles around the area or been a factor in how THEY referred to it, and I am putting that forward as a possible reason why gentile Jack targeted it
all the best martin.

Targeted it? In what way?

all the best

Observer

[Observer]

A club upon who's premises the "Arbiter Freund" a socialist newspaper was published.
all the best

Observer

Oh dear, it was of course "Der Arbeter Fraint".

all the best

Observer

[martin wilson]

Hey corey, how ya doin?

As always you have got me, I can only offer the reason that I subscibe to the jewish connection theory (see all my previous posts) and as I conceded before its only a theory, but the point I wanted to make is that it does not matter what or who the club was actually used for, if you believe as I do that jack was not a jew (ok he might have been a disaffected one) then if he did want to target a jewish club then this would have been known by gentiles as a 'jewish club', he may have even heard about the previous troubles at the club and wanted to cause even more.
anyway this is right up your (Berner) street surely, it speaks to profile, an organised serial killer, deliberatley targeting victims as opposed to the disorganised opportunist type
good to hear from you bud
all the best martin

[DVV]

I understand that some may disagree, but imo Martin's speculation is far from wild.
Too many Jews in the double event... The club, Lawende and co, the GSG...
Just my feeling, nothing more...

Amitiés,
David

[corey123]

Martin,

Doing ok, you?

Yes, profiling. A killer trying to target a certain racial group would not be catagorized as Jack the Ripper would normally be classed as, a sexual sadist.

I would think, if he WAS targeting the IWEC, he would have done more than slit her throat. He would be sending a message. He would have put the GSG at the gates of Dutfields yard and he would of made the most of the oppertunity.

The same can be said if one were to argue that Jack the Ripper killed prostiitutes in order to raise awareness in the problem with "Whores" the East End faced. I would think the murders would be a little more symbolic that they were if it were so. Also, I think if Jack the Ripper DID target the socialist club, the murder would have been followed with a letter sent to the club, or maybe that was what the GSG was supposed to be.

Who knows.

Yours truly

[martin wilson]

sorry guys, I am trying to test a theory thats driving me crazy, which is that there are strong jewish elements in at least 3 of the murders, far too many for me anyway to be just coincidences which would at least suggest that Jack was trying to stir up trouble for the jews.
I would be the first to concede that there are huge problems with this if you subscribe as I do to the single killer theory, the main one being that no serial killer has done anything like that ever since! (although Zodiac might be interesting to talk about)
all the best martin

[corey123]

What about the Unabomber? Similar to what your on about if you ask me. He stired up trouble with technology.

Yours truly

[Observer]

Nichols, Chapman, Kelly, where is the Jewish connection there?

If Stride was a Ripper victim the fact that she was found lying by the side of a club frequented by Jews, combined with the fact that a genuine Ripper victim Eddowes was sighted by three Jews coming out of another Jewish club, together with the writing found in Goulston Street is nothing more than coincidence to me. The fact is chaps there were an awfull lot of Jews, Jewish clubs, Jewish dwellings in Whitechapel at that time.

all the Best, and Gardiner

Observer

[martin wilson]

hey Corey
doing all right! ok, lets just say Jack was disturbed at Berner st, there has been a previous post that it would also have, ruined his plans to send a 'message' there,this would help explain the double murder and the GSG.
I cant have it both ways though, you know I think he was an attention seeker and there might be something in the ripper letters or the Lusk kidney, so your point about the letter to the club is a thumping good un, my Jack would certainly have gloated in some way, dont know, going to have to think about that.
all the best martin

[DVV]

Hi Observer,

you could well be right, of course... But imho, Jack chalked the GSG, or purposely threw the apron near to it. Hence my feeling that there must have been something about/against Jews in his mind.

Amitiés,
David

[corey123]

Martin,

Take a look at the Unabomber case. He sent out many bombs and killed three people and injured a number more. His reason for doing so is technology. He got his name from bombing a number of universities and such. Sending pipe bombs to collage professors. He lived in a cabin out in the woods and road a bike everywhere. He even wrote a(cant remember the number but I think it was close to 60) page essay of why he did what he did.

He is almost an exact copy of Jack the Ripper(your take on him anyway) only his killing technich and his motive would be different.

Yours truly

[Observer]

Hi David

There are those who believe the GSG to have been written by a Jew. A Jew issuing a threat. There's room for that argument I suppose. I'm surprised if it was the killers wont to leave messages, that there were not any other messages left at the other murders. Of course I'm not the killer, who knows what went through his mind? Who knows what his motives were? We're guessing at best.

all the best

Observer

[martin wilson]

Annie Chapman was killed on jewish new year, Elizabeth Longs' evidence put her with a foreigner (jew)
Elizabeth Stride killed at a jewish club (gulp!)
Catherine Eddowes killed and her apron found under the GSG.
Knife found by Coram, Dr Blackwell said it may have been of the type used by a slaughterer, see what you think of Baxters response, it seems to me he was very much trying to squash that point.
GSG washed away because of concerns it was inflammatory

Nichols and Kelly I havnt really looked at.
all the best martin

[martin wilson]

Thanks Corey I will log out and go and have a look, probably post back tomorrow because over here in Blighty its 1.30 in the morning, and I can feel my eyelids going
all the best martin

[Observer]

Annie Chapman was killed on jewish new year, Elizabeth Longs' evidence put her with a foreigner (jew)
Elizabeth Stride killed at a jewish club (gulp!)

Hi Martin, I believe the Jewish New Year fell on the 6th and 7th of September in 1888.

Also I thought you subscribed to the fact that JTR was not a Jew. Long saw a Jew with Annie Chapman.

all the best

Observer