Did jack kill liz stride?

[Tom_Wescott]

Sox,

First and foremost, they were socialists. By 1888 they were a mixture of socialists and anarchists. Within a couple of years they would be almost strictly an anarchists group. From day one they focused their recruiting towards immigrant Jews. Their club newspaper was printed in Yiddish and very few of their talks were given in English.

Martin,

I don't know what gentiles called them, but within their own ranks they'd often be referred to as 'The Berner Street Group' or sometimes the 'Commercial Road Group'.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Observer]

Hi Tom

Would I be correct in stating that to become a member of the IWEC one had to agree to uphold certain socialist ideals?

all the best

Observer

[Tom_Wescott]

Would I be correct in stating that to become a member of the IWEC one had to agree to uphold certain socialist ideals?

Yes. They had to be endorsed by a member, seconded by another, and agree to their ideals. To do so, one had to abandon their religion first.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Observer]

So not an ordinary run of the mill, social club. Not a social club where one went to meet freinds and have a bit of a chin wag over a few drinks, rather a socialist club where the question of socialism was often on the agenda. A club upon who's premises the "Arbiter Freund" a socialist newspaper was published. I'd say it was frequented by a certain type of individual, mainly immigrants, with a strong socialist bent. If I'm correct Rudolph Rocker, the socialist leader, frequented the club at the turn of the Century.

all the best

Observer

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Observer,

It was co-founded by Karl Marx's daughter, if that tells you anything. Yeah, Rocker rocked the house a few times.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[martin wilson]

Hi Tom
I was simply trying to make a point about the way ordinary people actually speak, they dont ask you "are you coming up the Conservative club which is in fact not exclusivley for the use of Conservative members and can in fact be used by anyone of any political persusaion?"
They just say "are you coming up the Conservative club?"

The club may well have been used by allsorts, my own feeling is that it would have been a nice place to get a drink with people of your own nationality, just like there are pubs around now which are pretty much exclusivley Polish.

So for me the crucial point is how it would have been referred to by the people around the area, at the time, which is how if Jack wanted to stir up trouble for the jews would have heard it referred to, for me it is simply common sense that some people would have called it a jewish club, perhaps even in a derogatory way, and that allows for at least the possibility that Jack targeted it specifically
regards mart..

[Observer]

Hi Tom

The movement attracted some pretty unsavoury (I'm not talking about Rocker her btw) characters at that time. I wouldn't be surprised if the club was monitered to some extent, was it that type of club do you think, a one where criminal elements gathered?

all the best

Observer

[Sox]

The club may well have been used by allsorts, my own feeling is that it would have been a nice place to get a drink with people of your own nationality, just like there are pubs around now which are pretty much exclusivley Polish.

Ding! We have a winner ladies and gentlemen. Exactly Martin, I know who owned it, I know who ran it, but I do not have the first clue who used it, and I respectfully suggest that nobody else does either.

In short, I am unsure where being a member of a socialist group ended, and where being a member of that particular club began....were they the same thing Tom? Did you have to be a socialist and a member to use the International Working Men's Educational Club in order to have a drink there?

[Observer]

The club may well have been used by allsorts, my own feeling is that it would have been a nice place to get a drink with people of your own nationality, just like there are pubs around now which are pretty much exclusivley Polish.

Hi Martin

One of the requisites before becoming a member of the IWEC was to abandon your Religion. No, not an ordinary watering hole.

all the best

Observer

[DVV]

Too funny

More funny is the trouble you took to explain something more than obvious : that the GSG, without the piece of apron, does not refer to the murders.

Such an original and revolutionary thought would have deserved a new thread.
Why didn't you open one ?

Amitiés,
David

[martin wilson]

Sorry guys, I'm going to labour this point until, well until I stop basically.

Conservative club, Bold miners club, Earlstown Socialist club, Catholic club, there may not have been a tory, miner, socialist or catholic set foot across the doorway in years.
But what were they known as?
all the best mart

[DVV]

Hi Martin,

yes, you're right, it was certainly known as the "Jewish club" - or Socialist...or both...

But why did you forget the Club of Queer Trades ?
That's the best.

Amitiés,
David

[Observer]

Hi Martin

Any of the above clubs require you to abandon your religion before you can become a member?

all the best

Observer

[martin wilson]

No, but that is something that would have been only a rule of entry, it would not have been percieved by gentiles around the area or been a factor in how THEY referred to it, and I am putting that forward as a possible reason why gentile Jack targeted it
all the best martin.

[corey123]

Martin,

Whats to say the club was targeted by Elizabeth Strides killer at all?