Hello All,
Chad, your post is well conceived taken from the evidence and theories posted throughout this thread. Of course, you will get an argument as to whether it was the same killer as to the previous victims. Whether Liz was cut while falling or when she was on the ground I think he had to be behind her to begin his assault as this is the best position to prevent a good defense from the victim. As I've stated this was the way street prostitutes serviced their clients and is part of what made them vulnerable to an individual that they had to trust. Now, she could have been facing away from him for some other reason- we don't know- but I am of the opinion that all of these women were soliciting. The police were of that opinion and despite making some mistakes along the way they knew the streets and the habits of individuals there. From what I could gather the corner of the yard at the gate was the darkest location despite the street lights and such as the building and the large gate cast a shadow.
[QUOTE=lynn cates;114259]Hello Hunter. Do you think Liz could be spun round and retain her cachous?
Lynn, its been a couple of days for me to find an answer to your question as I have been rethinking it.
First, I don't think she was spun around but was pulled backwards. I did an experiment with my wife ( safely of course) and had her hold some small beads wrapped in tissue in her left hand ( she's right handed) while I pulled her backwards to throw her off balance. After 3 times she never let go of the tissue. I didn't try a more solid object ( I didn't want to try her patience) but I surmised that Liz would naturally clutch the soft tissue- even while trying to break a fall- as opposed to a more solid object, like a tobacco tin- which she might have discarded. It may do well to see if there are victims of other violent murders that were found with something still in thier hand.
Best Wishes,
Hunter
Chad, your post is well conceived taken from the evidence and theories posted throughout this thread. Of course, you will get an argument as to whether it was the same killer as to the previous victims. Whether Liz was cut while falling or when she was on the ground I think he had to be behind her to begin his assault as this is the best position to prevent a good defense from the victim. As I've stated this was the way street prostitutes serviced their clients and is part of what made them vulnerable to an individual that they had to trust. Now, she could have been facing away from him for some other reason- we don't know- but I am of the opinion that all of these women were soliciting. The police were of that opinion and despite making some mistakes along the way they knew the streets and the habits of individuals there. From what I could gather the corner of the yard at the gate was the darkest location despite the street lights and such as the building and the large gate cast a shadow.
[QUOTE=lynn cates;114259]Hello Hunter. Do you think Liz could be spun round and retain her cachous?
Lynn, its been a couple of days for me to find an answer to your question as I have been rethinking it.
First, I don't think she was spun around but was pulled backwards. I did an experiment with my wife ( safely of course) and had her hold some small beads wrapped in tissue in her left hand ( she's right handed) while I pulled her backwards to throw her off balance. After 3 times she never let go of the tissue. I didn't try a more solid object ( I didn't want to try her patience) but I surmised that Liz would naturally clutch the soft tissue- even while trying to break a fall- as opposed to a more solid object, like a tobacco tin- which she might have discarded. It may do well to see if there are victims of other violent murders that were found with something still in thier hand.
Best Wishes,
Hunter
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