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[Aristocles]

Thanks Tom. Check your pm's.

I enjoy much and am grateful for the "Rippercasts".

Here is the one to which I refer:

Reign of Terror: The Double Event

Jay Gibson

[Tom_Wescott]

Perhaps, I personally couldn't say. But that's why I mentioned some of the authors these days don't know their stuff. I personally feel that blatant factual errors such as this should be edited from the interview or there should be a spoken 'sidebard' by the interviewer before or after the interview correcting these errors. It should be no different from a book or journal article.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Jeff Leahy]

Surely the person who made this mistake was Andrew Cook and NOT one of the regular 'guest' podcasters?

Pirate

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Ari,

I'm sorry to hear the Rippercast is your source for the mistaken old cannard that Stride was killed with a dull knife. As PM pointed out, there's no truth to it. This is a rather old and oft repeated error, and many of the podcast speakers are novices to the case, including some of the authors that speak on there, so no doubt one of these newbies picked this myth up and is passing it on. Kind of a pet peeve of mine.
And yes, you're right. There should be scuff marks on Stride's palms if Schwartz's man did indeed throw her down. IF she were hold the cachous at that time (which I very seriously doubt), we would expect to see bloody knuckles and broken pieces of cachous. But we don't.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Aristocles]

Hi Ari,

If you view Schwartz as a valid source, I think in one of the more probable accounts of what transpired between Broadshouldered Man and Liz you have what seems to be a man sliding up behind or beside a woman waiting on the sidewalk near the outside of the gates to Dutfields Yard, the man taking hold of her and attempting to have him follow him out into the street to cross the road, and she rejected that idea....resisting or pulling back against his grip,..... and likely as result of one or the other letting go, she falls with an exclamation. Schwartz looks back and sees he is helping her up. Thats not assault...thats an accidental fall.

A knife, long and with a rounded tip was found that night, and what you are recalling is probably that the medical experts dismissed this type of blade as the one that was likely used on Liz. I wonder though whether in their own minds they were looking for one suitable knife for both murders that night, since they "connected" them by the killer,... because the only issue I see with a round tip for both murders are Kate's mutilations. I personally dont see why a rounded one wouldnt work with Liz only. A utility knife, a bread knife....something one might find in a kitchen...one of which was a few feet away from where she is found.

All the best

Hello pm:

Agreed as to his approach but Swanson's paraphrase/synthesis of Schwartz's evidence is that he THREW her down on the footway, three screams, etc. What you describe is something markedly different in reality. Is there a better source- in which Schwartz tells his story as you have stated? Nevertheless, where is the bruising? A woman slips or falls onto a hard surface and is left unmarked? A dubious contention, although possible I suppose.

As for the knife, I was basing the dull notion from a "Rippercast". Perhaps no one else actually credits the dull knife theory- jeez, I feel as if I'm typing about Wounded Knee . . .sorry.

Again, I am well aware of the knife found on a doorstep in Whitechapel Road.

I would not impute any notions to the medical men to back a theory. If they expressed it as their belief that it was not a dull knife, I find no reason to assert that they were making the evidence fit their preconceived theories, on the contrary, it appears to me to be what a 'dull knife' theorist is doing, to wit: lawyering evidence to fit their theory.

Salud!

Hi Ari,

If you view Schwartz as a valid source, I think in one of the more probable accounts of what transpired between Broadshouldered Man and Liz you have what seems to be a man sliding up behind or beside a woman waiting on the sidewalk near the outside of the gates to Dutfields Yard, the man taking hold of her and attempting to have him follow him out into the street to cross the road, and she rejected that idea....resisting or pulling back against his grip,..... and likely as result of one or the other letting go, she falls with an exclamation. Schwartz looks back and sees he is helping her up. Thats not assault...thats an accidental fall.

A knife, long and with a rounded tip was found that night, and what you are recalling is probably that the medical experts dismissed this type of blade as the one that was likely used on Liz. I wonder though whether in their own minds they were looking for one suitable knife for both murders that night, since they "connected" them by the killer,... because the only issue I see with a round tip for both murders are Kate's mutilations. I personally dont see why a rounded one wouldnt work with Liz only. A utility knife, a bread knife....something one might find in a kitchen...one of which was a few feet away from where she is found.

All the best

[Aristocles]

I, of course, am well aware of that but I assumed it references the front of the body as it mentions under the clavicles. Perhaps I misunderstand? I thought that he was clearly speaking of the anterior.

Did Schwartz mean that she was slammed face first onto the ground? If so, then that brings up other interrogatories. . .

Salud!

[Roy Corduroy]

...how can it be that there is no mention of bruising?

Hi Aristocles, there was mention of it. Dr. Phillips at inquest: "Over both shoulders, especially the right, from the front aspect under collar bones and in front of chest there is a bluish discolouration which I have watched and seen on two occasions since."

Roy

[Aristocles]

Perhaps I someone would clear something up for me?

I was curious as to Stride's injuries:

If what Schwartz states is in fact correct, viz., she was slammed to the ground ("threw her down on the footway"), how can it be that there is no mention of bruising? In fact it seems that there is almost an implicit notion that there were few marks and that they were detailed. . . ? It seems to me that a man slamming or throwing a woman to the ground would leave marks.

The knife:

I have run across a few places that mention a rounded or even a dull knife. What is the genesis of this? I cannot get my mind around it based on the exegesis of Blackwell and Phillips.

I really question Schwartz. . . I have also come to the tenet that Stride is indeed a victim of a single killer who was shortly afterward carved up K. Eddowes. Odd, but I feel no compulsion to back up those opinions discursively

The more I read about this case the more doxastic I become. Such a paucity of facts. . .