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[Tom_Wescott]

By taking everything out of order and out of context, you've reached an obviously wrong conclusion. Unfortunately, this is your approach to Ripper research as well. The author I referred to was Cook. That should be quite obvious since you mentioned Cook by name and I stated he was the author I was referencing.

You're a dumbass. And by 'you', I don't mean Paul Begg, I mean Pirate Jack. You mouthbreating asshat. But I love ya like a sis and wish you the best. Muah.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Jeff Leahy]

TW: “many of the podcast speakers are novices to the case, including some of the authors that speak on there, so no doubt one of these newbies picked this myth up and is passing it on. Kind of a pet peeve of mine.”

TW: “But that's why I mentioned some of the authors these days don't know their stuff. I personally feel that blatant factual errors such as this should be edited from the interview or there should be a spoken 'sidebard' by the interviewer before or after the interview correcting these errors. It should be no different from a book or journal article. “

A: I enjoy much and am grateful for the "Rippercasts".
Here is the one to which I refer: Reign of Terror: The Double Event

TW: I'm sure the double event one was a hoot. What did they decide; that Stride, the graffito, and everything else was a coincidence? The same groundbreaking stuff I see on these boards? Yours truly, Tom Wescott

P.S. I got your PM. So Cook wasn't the culprit.

My original statement stands.

Well Tom I’ve read back your posts, and clearly you refer to the author in “Reign of Terror: The Double Event”. And add P.S. Cook wasn’t the culprit…

which clearly implies that the author in the Double event podcast was responsible? As Paul was the only author involved in that podcast I rather drew the conclusion that you were implying that he had implied something that I’m fairly well sure he never would have said….

If you are saying Andrew Cook made a mistake that’s fair enough…but your posts imply otherwise.

Pirate

[Tom_Wescott]

I didn't Tom you did, by mentioning a specific podcast that features Paul and suggesting that he made a claim he did NOT.

The references to the Rounded blunt Knife (which we are both agreed is a myth) came from a podcast featuring Andrew Cook, not a podcast featuring Paul Begg...

You've lost your mind. I never specified a person or podcast. Paul Begg never even entered my mind. To date I've listened to exactly zero podcasts. I can't tell who you're more obsessed with - me or Paul Begg - all I can do is compliment you on your choice of people to obsess over. But I suggest you move on.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[c.d.]

Even if Liz's fall was accidental or she was not pushed with great force, I think you still have to couple it with the BS man yelling Lipski with all of it's aggressive and possible violent connotation. If you were Liz, is this somebody you would go with voluntarily into a darkened yard?

c.d.

[Jeff Leahy]

Pirate,

Why do you insist on bringing Paul Begg's name up all the time?

I didn't Tom you did, by mentioning a specific podcast that features Paul and suggesting that he made a claim he did NOT.

The references to the Rounded blunt Knife (which we are both agreed is a myth) came from a podcast featuring Andrew Cook, not a podcast featuring Paul Begg...

Why do you constantly feel the need to attack him for things he has never done or said?

As for you podcast police idea, I suggest you take it up with Jonathon but I hope and trust he tells you where to get off...

Yours Pirate

[Tom_Wescott]

Pirate,

Why do you insist on bringing Paul Begg's name up all the time? You're doing him no favors. Of course, Paul would not say something so sophomoric as the knife that killed Stride was dull. He's published a lot on the case, so we already know his views and depth of knowledge. He's a true authority on the case and doesn't really need a PR man such as yourself.

Archaic,

I agree with you. No one is infallible and mistakes will always occur, particularly in discussions where you can't 'delete' something once it's said. That's when the responsibility falls on the MC or the editor/webmaster. The podcasts aren't celebrity interviews. They're intended to inform. Therefore, there should be a guard of some sort against misinformation. If you feel I'm being unfair, let me know. But this is the second time I've found myself battling this 'knife myth' as a result of a podcast. Make that TWO SEPARATE podcasts.

Jay,

Thanks for that.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Jeff Leahy]

Then you are either deaf or consider opinion that does not jibe with what we have for evidence as not 'glaring'. Indeed possible, when one employs such weasel words. However, I heard a discussion on there concerning the treatment of women in the East End that was blatantly misinformed, as well as the overt talk of a dull knife. Your hearing impairment notwithstanding, they are both facts. That said, I am not interested in your digs at "Tom Wescott". If you wish to reply directly tis fine. But if you want to continue this sniping and puerile humor then start a thread of your own.

Jay Gibon

Then I suggest you quote specific’s rather than generality, especially given that the people you are discussing are, on the whole, pretty well informed on such matters. Not certain what your qualifications are, but if they come from the same source as Wescott’s you’ll require more than a hearing aid..

What are the points you disagree with…who made them… and where are they exactly?

Pirate

PS the rounded knife is a myth and related to a knife found at the time not connected to the Stride murder. Something on which Tom and I at least are agreed.

[Aristocles]

Well said, Archaic.

I’ve just had a quick flick through the episode and can see NO glaring errors.

The Wizard of OZ seems in fine fetter, Totto’s smooth welsh melody is as sexy as ever, and even the wicked witch of the west seems coherent and making sense.

Hi John, I’m not convinced 6” can be described as long? But I’ll check with my partner.

However there is NO proof that Stride was killed with a different knife from Eddow’s. It is a myth that has been well told in recent times.

Pirate

Then you are either deaf or consider opinion that does not jibe with what we have for evidence as not 'glaring'. Indeed possible, when one employs such weasel words. However, I heard a discussion on there concerning the treatment of women in the East End that was blatantly misinformed, as well as the overt talk of a dull knife. Your hearing impairment notwithstanding, they are both facts. That said, I am not interested in your digs at "Tom Wescott". If you wish to reply directly tis fine. But if you want to continue this sniping and puerile humor then start a thread of your own.

Jay Gibon

[Jeff Leahy]

See what her answer is, Jeff, and then add on another 5 or 6 inches to allow for the handle

Thats not playing fair. How can anyone guess the size of the handle?

A small blade 4'', average 6'' long 10''....

Any more trouble and I will take up the debate with Mrs Guy

Pirate

[Jon Guy]

Hi John, I’m not convinced 6” can be described as long? But I’ll check with my partner.

See what her answer is, Jeff, and then add on another 5 or 6 inches to allow for the handle

However there is NO proof that Stride was killed with a different knife from Eddow’s. It is a myth that has been well told in recent times.

I don`t know about Ripper myths, Jeff, personally, I just use the Inquest reports, and Dr Phillips comments do seem to be have been overlooked, or misunderstood (perhaps by me?)

[Jeff Leahy]

Well said, Archaic.

I’ve just had a quick flick through the episode and can see NO glaring errors.

The Wizard of OZ seems in fine fetter, Totto’s smooth welsh melody is as sexy as ever, and even the wicked witch of the west seems coherent and making sense.

Hi John, I’m not convinced 6” can be described as long? But I’ll check with my partner.

However there is NO proof that Stride was killed with a different knife from Eddow’s. It is a myth that has been well told in recent times.

Pirate

[Jon Guy]

However, we (and as far as I know, Paul Begg) are in agreement that there is NO proof Stride was killed by a different knife.

Dr Phillips did say at the inquest that he didn`t think a long knife was used on Stride.

The blade used on Eddowes was said to be about 6-8 inches, which is long.

[Archaic]

Rippercast

I quite enjoy the Rippercasts. I think the participants do a good job and that they create interesting & informative shows. In fact, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank them for their efforts.
I also appreciate the diverse views which are presented, because I happen to enjoy hearing opinions and theories which differ from my own.

And I honestly see no reason to expect the Rippercast participants to live up to some imagined "Doctrine of Infallibility"... that's just silly. They're human beings and they are discussing a complex historical subject whose "facts" have been re-written before & will probably be re-written again.

Frankly, I feel the onus is upon those who wish to find fault with the show to produce something better.
It should be easy, right?

Best regards, Archaic

[Jeff Leahy]

Then your accusation is clearly laid at:

Paul Begg, Gareth Williams, Jonathon Menges or the other one….

As, as far as I’m aware, Paul is the only author in this program, so we’ll just put it down to another half baked, ill considered, crack pot…..

TOM WESCOTT theory shall we?

However, we (and as far as I know, Paul Begg) are in agreement that there is NO proof Stride was killed by a different knife.

Pirate

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Jay. I should probably listen to it sometime. I'm sure the double event one was a hoot. What did they decide; that Stride, the graffito, and everything else was a coincidence? The same groundbreaking stuff I see on these boards?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

P.S. I got your PM. So Cook wasn't the culprit. My original statement stands.