Why Did the BS Man Try to Pull Liz into the Street?

[c.d.]

I got this from Wiki. According to Schwartz, Liz was standing in the gateway of the yard when she was approached by the BS man. He spoke to her and then tried to pull her into the street, but he turned her round and threw her down on the footway. I had always been under the impression that Schwartz had arrived during the altercation, not before. Which is the correct version?

Then the question is why did he try to pull her into the street and not the yard? This does sound like the BS man knew her for it would appear that this all transpired very quickly.

Also, if Liz was waiting for someone, the gate would be a good place to stand. "I'll be waiting at the gate."

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[Sam Flynn]

Knew her as in, "Oh, no you don't - you're comin' 'ome with me, NOW!", perhaps?

[Cap'n Jack]

It must have been seven thousand years ago that I pointed out the impossibilty of a killer pulling his victim out of a dark yard into the street to mutilate her in the fashion of the Whitechapel Murders.

[c.d.]

Hi Sam,

Yes, Kidney certainly crossed my mind in that regard.

But which is the correct version -- Schwartz was there from the beginning of the altercation or he arrived in the middle of the movie?

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[Jon Guy]

I got this from Wiki. According to Schwartz, Liz was standing in the gateway of the yard when she was approached by the BS man. He spoke to her and then tried to pull her into the street, but he turned her round and threw her down on the footway. I had always been under the impression that Schwartz had arrived during the altercation, not before. Which is the correct version?

Then the question is why did he try to pull her into the street and not the yard? This does sound like the BS man knew her for it would appear that this all transpired very quickly.

Also, if Liz was waiting for someone, the gate would be a good place to stand. "I'll be waiting at the gate."
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Hi CD

BS man was walking ahead of Schwartz, the altercation seems to have begun just as Schwartz was approaching them by the gates, thats when he crossed over the road.

I was always under the impression that BS man pulled Stride towards him and then spun her around and threw her down just in the gateway, which is why Mrs Mortimer and Latchfords sister never saw anything.

[mariag]

Exactly what Sam said.

If BS man was Kidney, he'd have pulled her toward the street in a "come with me" kind of way. She demurred and he got disgusted and threw her back toward the sidewalk "to hell with you then".

Schwartz saw most of the altercation from the pull and crossed the street to avoid getting mixed up in it.

[Sam Flynn]

It must have been seven thousand years ago that I pointed out the impossibilty of a killer pulling his victim out of a dark yard into the street to mutilate her in the fashion of the Whitechapel Murders.

Ah, but that which can be pulled out can usually be put back in, AP - unless your name happens to be John Wayne Bobbitt.

[c.d.]

Hi Jon,

Thanks for that. Of course the possibility also exists that the BS man knew her from earlier in the evening. For example, he is turned down by Liz, goes into a pub for a beer, comes out to see Liz in the same spot and decides to show her that he is not a man used to being turned down by whores.

So "knew her" does not necessarily imply a long standing relationship.

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[c.d.]

Ah, but that which can be pulled out can usually be put back in, AP - unless your name happens to be John Wayne Bobbitt.

It turned out that Bobbitt's wife actually did want sex that night. Only she wanted it to go.

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[Jon Guy]

Thanks for that. Of course the possibility also exists that the BS man knew her from earlier in the evening. For example, he is turned down by Liz, goes into a pub for a beer, comes out to see Liz in the same spot and decides to show her that he is not a man used to being turned down by whores.

So "knew her" does not necessarily imply a long standing relationship.

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I agree. BS man looks like one of the punters she is seen with earlier. It does appear that she had some kind of agenda for the evening.

I cannot believe it could be Kidney, especially if they`d had words and recently split, that would be too obvious, and Kidney would have done a runner, or broke down under Police pressure, which there must have been ?

[c.d.]

Hi Jon,

I would also expect that the police would have had Schwartz take a look at Kidney as he had to be prime suspect number one. (Stop. Stop. No Kidney discussions allowed).

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[Sam Flynn]

Kidney would have done a runner, or broke down under Police pressure, which there must have been ?

I'm not sure that every person so disposed has necessarily crumbled under interrogation, Jon.

[Sam Flynn]

Stop. Stop. No Kidney discussions allowed

...well, whoever he was, BS man clearly had no qualms about venting his spleen

[c.d.]

...well, whoever he was, BS man clearly had no qualms about venting his spleen

Maybe he just wanted to have a heart to heart talk with her.

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[perrymason]

Hello all,

According to Israel, he came upon the scene from behind BSMan, and before BS had reached Liz, so he could see her there and the altercation from the start...but not to the finish, I would guess.

I think him pulling her away from the gates could be seen as a potential customer assuming he is seeing a whore working and plans to take her to where they can consumate business...which likely means he is not a member of that club, who would freely choose the empty yard if so disposed. She demurs, pulls back, and falls. Why would a whore seeking clients pull back from him to stay in the location she is found in? Dont whores pick up tricks and go away somewhere with them...isnt that the norm? So... did she not like his breath, or clothes....was she actually financially better off than just the 6d she earned cleaning that afternoon?

Or was she as cd suggested, waiting for someone at that location. Someone who Ill bet just arrived back at the club around 12:40am, and had popped indoors and upstairs for a moment....perhaps to pick up money for his speech that night, and then meet a girl just outside the gates at 1. Maybe.

Best regards all.