What makes her such a likely candidate?

[The Good Michael]

I thought it was DumbSchitz. Go figure.

Mike

[Nothing to see]

Why wouldn't anyone believe that Stride wasn't a canonical victim?

Same area, same MO. He killed the same night not far away.

Stride was a Jack victim.

[babybird67]

hi nothing to see

i thought it was to do with the lack of rippings, mainly, that there is doubt. And she was seen being assaulted by someone, suggesting maybe a domestic motive rather than Jack's motiveless attacks.

I agree, though, i attribute her death to Jack too.

[Nothing to see]

Hi bb. I don't believe Stride's murder was domestic. If she'd been killed the night before, OK. But she was killed that night and her throat was cut and it was Jack's signature.

[halomanuk]

Hello nothing to see,
What is the difference if she was killed in a domestic encounter that night or the night before ?

[Nothing to see]

If Stride had been killed the night before then Jack who?

[halomanuk]

sure,but that still doesn't rule out a domestic murder regardless of the hype..

[Nothing to see]

A pro, in the general area, by herself, the time frame for Jack, earlier I will admit but that means nothing. It was Jack disturbed. Nothing else makes any sense. He didn't go from Chapman to Eddowes. Jack went after Stride. He got her but he was interrupted.

[The Good Michael]

NTS,

The odds are in Jack's favor, still, there's always an outside shot it was someone else. Rippus Interruptus has always been the theory, and aside from location, which seems a bit too noisy and well-attended, I'm sticking with the theory.

Cheers,

Mike

[Sam Flynn]

Correct, Albie - and it seems Diemschitz is the more spot on version. But most people use Diemschutz anyhow - habits stick.

The name seems to be of "Russian" (I use the term loosely) origin, and is spelled - in the Cyrillic alphabet - as "ДЫМШИЦ". How that would be rendered into Roman characters would largely depend on the phonology and orthography of the country in which it was transliterated. A fair German approximation would be "Diemschütz" or even "Dymschütz".

A reasonable approximation in English would be something like "Dimsheets", rather than "Dim$hitz" - the "И" having a more elongated sound ("ee") than the shorter "i" (as in "$hit"). Even then, the name would not have sounded precisely like that in its country of origin, as English has no simple equivalent sound for the letter "Ы". Perhaps a more faithful rendition would be more like "Duhmsheets" (or "Dermsheets" without a rolled "r").

The truth is that no romanisation - whether into the English or German alphabet - is strictly "correct".

[DVV]

NTS,

The odds are in Jack's favor, still, there's always an outside shot it was someone else. Rippus Interruptus has always been the theory, and aside from location, which seems a bit too noisy and well-attended, I'm sticking with the theory.

Cheers,

Mike

Mike,

you can be perfect sometimes.

Ballon porté va plus loin que ballon donné.

Amitiés,
David

[albie]

Correct, Albie - and it seems Diemschitz is the more spot on version. But most people use Diemschutz anyhow - habits stick.

The best,
Fisherman

This is good. I have been trawling through Roslyn Donston's unbelievable stories for clues and he has a scene with a mix up between the name Louise and lewis.

Hmmm.

A NOVEL FORM OF CRYSTAL GAZING.

One of the things which most impressed me was that she poured water from a calabash into a little paraffin, scooped by her hands in the soft earth, but this was nothing but water, I satisfied myself by the taste. Telling me to kneel down and gaze steadfastly on the surface of the water, she told me to call any person whom I might wish to see, and here a rather curious point arose. She insisted upon having the name first. I gave her the name of a relative Lewis, which she repeated after me three times to get it fixed correctly on her memory. In repeating her incantation, a few minutes afterwards, she pronounced the word " Louise," though I did not pay much attention to it at the time. When, however, her wand waved over the water, evolving clouds of luminous smoke, I saw distinctly reflected in it, after those clouds had passed away, the face and form of a relative of mine standing in front of the audience, evidently reciting some composition. I told her that she had made a mistake. I did not acknowledge to hate seen anything for some time. At last I told her that it was the wrong person; then, naturally, argument followed. She insisted that I said Louise. However, at last I taught her the correct pronunciation of Lewis, and I saw the man I wanted sitting with his feet elevated above his head, more Americana, and calmly puffing his pipe while reading the letter. I need scarcely say that I verified the time at which these things occurred, and in both instances I found then, allowing for the difference in longitude, absolutely and exactly correct

http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/collected-donston.6.html

I feel this name is important as Lewis Diemshitz almost caught him in the act. Also, I believe the novel and play of Jeckyll and Hyde sparked him off, as it was written by someone with almost the same name Robert Stephenson/Robert Stevenson. The name of Louis being the difference. Donston also accounts a tale of a ghostly girlfriend called Louise. To be interrupted by a man with such a name would have meant something to the mad doctor, I think.

The witch doctor in the story wears an odd garment...

"Across her bare bosom was a wide scarf or baldrick made of scarlet cloth, on which were fastened four rows of what appeared like large Roman pearls, of the size of a large walnut. These apparent pearls, how-ever, were actually human intestines, bleached to a pearly whiteness, inflated, and constricted at short intervals so as to make a series of little bladders."

I don't need to point out that intestines are vital to all this.


All leads to my theory on the man...

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=2791

[The Good Michael]

Albie,

Take this kind of thing to the other thread.

Mike

[slysnide]

I question if JTR murdered Liz. Berner was several blocks from Mitre granted, and Eddowes' wounds were more severe, implying that the killer needed to satisfy his frustration of not finishing the job 45 minutes earlier. What was the estimated time between death and discovery of the two women? I know they were found at 1am and 1:45am, but how long were they dead beforehand, because the first murder that night caused a big enough stir, and depending on how long thereafter the police found her depends on the probability that he managed to travel several blocks west to Mitre Square. After all, it's doubtful he was seeking a second victim that night as a guaranteed impending search of the area would follow, which would therefore justify his rage/frustration in NOT being able to strke again, unless he had enough of a headstart on the police to commit the Eddowes murder. For when you really think about it, there seems to be no logic in hanging around to kill & disect again when the police are on a manhunt not too far east. (okay so maybe the same killer did do it). But the problem in this is that the killer left Eddowes' bloody apron (or at least part of it) a couple blocks east of the Mitre Square on Goulston Street. Meaning he doubled back towards the Stride murder (granted not far at all, but towards it nonetheless) to scribble on the wall and leave when police would be on alert. And this is assuming of course that JTR killed both vics which would mean he'd obviously know of the first incident which makes such a decision to go back to scribble rather poor. However it's also possible that some crazy found the body, took the apron and wrote the graffito himself. Doubtful though. No motive to that afterall. But if JTR didn't kill Stride and only did in Eddowes then it'd justify going back since he'd not know of the first incident. If he did know of it but wasn't responsible then it was risky. If he killed both and then doubled back to write the graffiti, then that's INCREDIBLY risky.

[lynn cates]

times

Hello Sly. The coroner placed Liz's time of death between 12:46 and 12:56. Kate was alive at 1:35, discovered at 1:44--if memory serves.

The best.
LC