Was Eddowes Already Dead, When Seen By Lawende & Levy?

[Wickerman]

To stay with the body, and ensure it remains untouched, note the scene, send for the duty Inspector and nearest surgeon.

They were permitted to try an execute a capture, however the condition of the victim was a priority, followed by other parties and himself. In other words, if the constable was sure the victim was dead, and that the public and himself wouldn't be in danger, he could persue.

There was a four whistle code blast devised after the Coles murder, which was never used for obvious reasons.

Monty

And I believe you have wrote that the City constables (Harvey, Watkins) did not carry whistles?

[John G]

And I believe you have wrote that the City constables (Harvey, Watkins) did not carry whistles?

How then could they summon assistance?

[Wickerman]

Rattles John,....rattles!

[Scott Nelson]

Dr. Thomas Ind didn't think the Ripper showed anatomical skill. Dr. Mike Villa did.

[Wickerman]

There's anatomical knowledge, and surgical skill.

Prosector thought he displayed a bit of both.

[Trevor Marriott]

Looks to me like he did have a field day with Kelly. Besides, her heart was missing.

Was it ? That`s another contentious issue, which has been discussed many times on here so I a not going to re kindle it.

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[Trevor Marriott]

Hi John.
Yes, but the forensic pathologist was making a general observation, when you include the actual specifics of these murders the details present a different picture.
The point Dr. Ind was making was that the removal of the uterus was done by a right-handed person. His comment was not meant to refer to every wound on the body, that was not necessary. We already have medical opinion that a right-handed man was at work, unless we choose to believe he stood directly in front of each victim and sliced their throats left-handed, and received a face full of blood for his troubles.
And, as I pointed out, Chapman's body was not laid down by a man who intended to work left-handed.

But if the killer did not remove the organs at the scene then it would not matter not if an octopus removed them sometime later would it where would that take us.

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[Wickerman]

But if the killer did not remove the organs at the scene then it would not matter not if an octopus removed them sometime later would it where would that take us.

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Not removed at the scene?
You might consider that a serious consideration, that doesn't mean others should.

[pinkmoon]

How then could they summon assistance?

Call me old fashioned but I would have absolutely no problem in letting it be known I've stumbled across a badly mutilated corpse .Have you ever put yourself in the shoes of a policeman going out on his beat with this knife welding maniac on the loose can you imagine the rumours going around the police stations about his foul deeds it must have been very frightening doing your beat with a monster on the loose would you be tempted to apprehend a stranger on the of chance he might be the knife carrying fiend.

[Monty]

And I believe you have wrote that the City constables (Harvey, Watkins) did not carry whistles?

They did by the time of the Coles murder.

Monty

[Harry D]

But if the killer did not remove the organs at the scene then it would not matter not if an octopus removed them sometime later would it where would that take us.

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Are you really still singing this tune, Trevor?

Was the apron still a menstrual rag stolen by a stray dog?

[Wickerman]

They did by the time of the Coles murder.

Monty

Quite so, pages 74 right?
Police order 21 May, 1889.

Yes, I was only thinking of the Eddowes case.

[Trevor Marriott]

Are you really still singing this tune, Trevor?

Was the apron still a menstrual rag stolen by a stray dog?

Who mentioned a theft and who mentioned a dog. Your imagination is running wild again. Don't try to be a smart with me.

[Wickerman]

In portrait of a killer Patricia carries out an experiment in a warehouse with the same lighting conditions present at the time of the murders and she examines the light a police lantern would generate...

There is a press story somewhere here on Casebook that tells us one of the three lamps in Mitre Square was not working on the night in question.
I can't remember which one it was at the moment...

The garrotte is a very interesting theory if it was followed up with a deep throat slash straight away it couldn't be detected think you onto something there my friend.

Credit goes to Dr. Brownfield (Mylett case), I merely drop a reminder every now and then
I'm inclined to think his suggestion has considerable merit.
The garrott was a popular weapon in the 1860's and reports of its use continued for decades.

[Wickerman]

There is a press story somewhere here on Casebook that tells us one of the three lamps in Mitre Square was not working on the night in question.
I can't remember which one it was at the moment...

Excuse me, "not working correctly", I should have said.

"This (Sunday) morning the lamps were burning brightly, but a curious little circumstance was mentioned by the wife of a caretaker living directly opposite the spot where the murdered woman was found. As she went home with her little girl on Friday night she noticed that the lamp in the north-west corner of the square was so dull that she could scarcely see her way. This must have thrown the pavement on which the body was found into comparative darkness, and may thus have in some way contributed to the selection of the spot by the murderer."
Lloyds Weekly News, 30 Sept. 1888.