Location Location Location!

[Krinoid]

need more info and pics please

There are indeed remains clearly extant in the building on the corner of Leadenhall Street and Mitre Street. You can easily see them from outside. A couple of bits of wall, one with a sizeable archway in it.
Anyone have pics of the above
Also I too have read Ed glinert book and it has some interesting ideas on the ripper in east end chronicles

[The Good Michael]

Chava,

Also, if he killed Stride and Eddowes, why not go looking for a third? Perhaps the direction of less people would lead to isolated prostitutes.

Mike

[George Hutchinson]

English Heritage published a fantastic but rather costly book on the excavations and remains in Aldgate a few years back. It includes colour repros of the remains of the Priory and 18th century line engravings.

The curious thing about the Priory is that, in fact, the church was NOT aligned to the East and - by coincidence - the altar itself, where the woman is supposed to have been killed by Brother Martin (yawn) actually WAS quite close to the location of the Eddowes murder. It is believed the shape of the square today roughly follows the line of the cloister.

There are indeed remains clearly extant in the building on the corner of Leadenhall Street and Mitre Street. You can easily see them from outside. A couple of bits of wall, one with a sizeable archway in it.

PHILIP

[Monty]

Chava,

Thats assuming he did do for Liz.

Aldgate High st would have been busy. St Botolphs and Leman st was, according to supposed oral tradition, a prostitute pick up point.

There were reasons to be there, that was proven.

Cheers
Monty

[Chava]

I'll tell you what interests me about the location where Eddowes was killed, and that's why the Ripper was in that area in the first place. After he killed Stride and was very close to being caught, he leaves the area, but why does he go West instead of East? He's heading for the City which would have been very quiet in the dead of night wouldn't it? He would have been better off heading East towards Mile End where there would still be a lot of people on the streets. Given his area of operating, a lot of people including myself believe he lived in Whitechapel. So why is he heading up West?

[Celesta]

Hi Rev,

I tried to paste this, but I can't get it small enough. Page xi Foreward talks about the ring of monasteries, which circled the "sacred territory."

"These included Holy Trinity Aldgate, where the East End's first documented murder took place in the early sixteenth century. Brother Martin, a Holy Trinity monk, stabbed to death a woman praying at the high altar and then killed himself. By what is probably an amazing coincidence Jack the Ripper killed Catherine Eddowes on the same site in 1888."


Take note, I got this off of ebay and didn't know it was a proof. There's no index, which is most annoying. There is a bibliography, but I don't know which of these references he used to document this murder and he could well be repeating a myth or folktale, as has already been pointed out. It's supposed to be a collection of unusual and arcane stories.

It's an interesting book and there is a lot of fact to it. He discusses the docks, the Jewish Ghetto, and different aspects of local history. He wrote The Literary Guide to London and the London Compendium.

[Celesta]

Celesta,

That would be great. Thanks.

He seems to know his stuff so hopefully he is not basing his findings on the Penny Dreadful.


Peter

The subtitle of the book is Three Hundred Years of Mystery and Mayhem. My copy is a proof copy. Let me find the passage about the site and look at its context, whether he thinks it legend or not, and I'll get back to you. I don't think he goes much into JTR, but I haven't gotten that far into it yet.

[John Bennett]

This scan is from Tom Cullen's 'Autumn of Terror':

[revpetero]

Celesta,

That would be great. Thanks.

He seems to know his stuff so hopefully he is not basing his findings on the Penny Dreadful.


Peter

[Dan Norder]

For those who missed Monty's post or who are confused about what "penny dreadfuls" are (especially as a few posters here in the past have purposefully tried to present them as actual historical records so that the contents of some could be used to support their own theories), The Curse Upon Mitre Square is a work of fiction. The murdering monk in it has not been shown to have been an actual historical person. Considering that the *only* evidence for his existence is a book that is undeniably nothing but a rather over the top melodrama in which the ghost of this monk was said to go around killing people, you should assume that it was made up for the purposes of the story.

But, should works of poorly-written gothic literature begin to be accepted as actual evidence in the Ripper case, I would suggest that Varney the Vampire should be considered the leading suspect in the murders. And sadly he would still not be the most outrageous person ever named as a Ripper suspect...

[Celesta]

But was there a murder of a woman there then? in 1530?

I am currently reading a book "London's Dead - A Guided tour of the capitals dead" by Ed Glinert.

It just mentions the other woman in there

Hi Rev,

I've been reading The East End Chronicles by the same author, and he refers to a murder in the square in that book also. There was apparently a murdering monk. I'll double check it, if you want and let you know.

Celesta

[Mike Covell]

Colin, that middle picture showing the cobblestones is fantastic, I took one of the square from what was Church Passage, but when I checked it on the computer, I must have been shaking because its all very blurred!

[Monty]

Colin,

Our posts crossed.

Excellent, many thanks.

Monty

[Monty]

Hi Mont

I remember on the second London Job Philip taking pictures of that outer wall through the office windows...I've got pictures of him taking them..he's bound to have caught something on those shots although I recall the glass being slightly tinted and visibility poor.

Suzi x

Hey Suz,

I know it can be seen.

Jake has a pic somewhere showing these ruins in an oil painting just prior to the Pearces home going up. He also has a map showing it, I think I got it somewhere.

I shall look see.

Oh for the bearded Finish Dude and handsome domed cranium one.

Monty

I may have misled.

Monty,

Leicester City have misled you; but you have not misled the Casebook !!!


1873 Large Scale OS

"Site of
Priory
of the
Holy Trinity"


Mitre Square, St. James, City of London
from Mitre Street, October 2007

Note Plaque in Center of Image


Zoom

Jake and Rob are the guys we need.

Neither one of those two would know the site of a priory, if it bit him in the aft end !!!


Colin