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[Krinoid]

should say..

revised-

The Allen, Thomas The History and Antiquities of London, Westminster, Southwark, book page 82 does mention Glinert's claim In East End chronicles that no one wanted the church and steeple of Holy Trinty Aldgate when offered to parishioners or for stone later. Maybe there was a curse associated with it? Wasn't this before the penny dreadfull was published?

[Krinoid]

I guess the From Hell book mentions in footnotes that the walking sticks were sold at the time of the sale of the penny dreadfull mentioned,but is the figure the mad Monk ?? Suprised no one mentioned that on here
Mark

[Krinoid]

The Allen, Thomas The History and Antiquities of London, Westminster, Southwark, book page 82 does mention Glinert's claim In East End chronicles that no one wanted the church and steeple to parishioners or for stone and no one wanted it! Maybe there was a curse associated with it? Wasn't this before the penny dreadfull was published?

[Krinoid]

[QUOTE=Roy Corduroy;145311]Don Rumbelow's interpetation of the Abberline walking stick is good enough for me, Krinoid. After all, that penny dreadful was big stuff, so why not put the feature on his goodbye stick.

Why would he do so?Was he aware more about Mitre square then we know and the priory??

[Roy Corduroy]

Don Rumbelow's interpetation of the Abberline walking stick is good enough for me, Krinoid. After all, that penny dreadful was big stuff, so why not put the feature on his goodbye stick. Speaking of which, blow my horn. I posted a short article about another policemen who also got a stick on his retirement click here to see it.

Jane, thank you. Allen can be read online at Google Books, but starting on page 76 his entire section on Trinity did not include a murder. The Janet Burton only has a limited online view, so I don't know.

Not that I'm doubting you.

But yes if you happen to come across the reference, please let us know. In the meantime my library is ordering for me (if they can get it) the book George Hutchinson mentioned above about the archeological survey. I'll see if it comes through.

Roy

[Krinoid]

and what to hell to make of this???

http://www.newcriminologist.com/article.asp?nid=425

Any theories on this one??

[Krinoid]

Thank you for the info! I never heard of this particular murder, just the legendary one.
Mark

[Jane Coram]

Hi,

There apparently was one murder at the priory. In 1256, a prior, in a unique interpretation of the spirit of Christianity, allegedly killed another prior, and then wounded himself to make it look like self-defence.

It seems to be accepted as probable fact by most of the authorities on the subject. I came across the account a lot in the course of researching the square, so it does have some credibility. The priory seemed to get burnt down a lot as well, so it did have a bit of a troubled history.

I think the reference to the murder is in either:

Burton, Monastic and Religious Orders or
Allen, Thomas The History and Antiquities of London, Westminster, Southwark, and parts adjacent

I think it's recorded in quite a few specialist books on the history or Mitre Square as well though. I can probably find the reference again if anyone is desperate to know. The supposed murder in 1530 is not documented anywhere that I've seen.

Hugs

Jane

xxxxx

[Krinoid]

can anyone answer the question??

I found this quote and whatI am wondering is there any where else it is documented that amurder took place than the "penny dreadfull."These included Holy Trinity Aldgate, where the East End's first documented murder took place in the early sixteenth century. Brother Martin, a Holy Trinity monk, stabbed to death a woman praying at the high altar and then killed himself. By what is probably an amazing coincidence Jack the Ripper killed Catherine Eddowes on the same site in 1888.

can anyone answer the question??

[Krinoid]

and what to hell to make of this???

http://www.newcriminologist.com/article.asp?nid=425

[Krinoid]

I found this quote and whatI am wondering is there any where else it is documented that amurder took place than the "penny dreadfull."

These included Holy Trinity Aldgate, where the East End's first documented murder took place in the early sixteenth century. Brother Martin, a Holy Trinity monk, stabbed to death a woman praying at the high altar and then killed himself. By what is probably an amazing coincidence Jack the Ripper killed Catherine Eddowes on the same site in 1888.

[Krinoid]

Has anyone else on her read Ed Glinert's chapter on the ripper in East end chronicles? I read earlier in this thread there is some dispute over the previous nun killing that happened on that spot, Glinert implies all kinds of masonic links to the Mitre area and previous killing.

[Phil H]

I too believe that caution needs to be exercised in any assumptions about Eddowes' killer's movements that night/morning.

I think it is worth considering two approaches:

a) that he came from the Berners' St area (while in my own contemplations, I tend nowadays not to ascribe Stride to JtR, I have an open mind) hot-ffot from an incomplete "kill". That raises all sorts of questions about his state of mind - almost caught red-handed, frustrated, in a frenzy maybe.

b) that he had nothing to do with Stride's death and came from elsewhere than Berners St or its vicinity.

I would add that in my view the man Lawende saw with Eddowes does not seem to have struck him as agitated, which might favour (b).

There is also the possibility (admittedly not strong) that Eddowes was specifically chosen or trailed - perhaps because she knew something. I certainly think that Eddowes led "Jack" into the Square because as with Nichols and Chapman there was a wooden hoarding to lean against which might have had more "give" than a brick wall. (Nichols had stable gates beside her, Chapman a wooden fence).

Phil

[Roy Corduroy]

Thank you Scott. Welcome Krinoid, and yes someone shared those photos on Casebook. Can't locate them at the moment.

It is believed the shape of the square today roughly follows the line of the cloister.

Yes there is a similarity.

[Scott Nelson]

Old crypts were found along Jewry St. near the corner of Aldgate-High St. They are thought to have been used as far back as Roman times.