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  • Al Bundy's Eyes
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    Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

    It's what a surgeon would instinctively do...?



    Whoops. Sorry.

    M.
    It's a reference to a remark made by Wynne Weston Davies, 'prosector' on these boards, who as a surgeon was struck by it as a well known technique. He discusses it in a Rippercast which is well worth a listen.

    Despite his preferred suspect being dismissed, he does offer an interesting insight, and the research that went into his Mary Kelly theory and it's solving is a credit to the field. He was pretty gracious about it all too, so all round a decent bloke.

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  • Trevor Marriott
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    Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

    It's what a surgeon would instinctively do...?



    Whoops. Sorry.

    M.
    Edmond Neale a consultant gynecologist would disageree

    "In addition to the post mortem report, I have also seen a drawing and a photograph of the body before the post mortem. I am first struck by the jagged appearance of the abdominal wound. This does not look like a surgical incision. The irregular nature of it and some of the minor wounds to underlying organs suggests to me that possibly the knife (the pathologists at the time conjectured a thin blade of 6-8 inches) entered probably the upper portion of the abdomen which was then opened by pulling the knife upwards, possibly with a sawing motion, as opposed to a surgical incision where one would press down with the blade on the skin. In other words, the irregular line suggests the abdomen was opened from inside out rather than outside in. I believe this approach would allow maximum pressure to be exerted on the abdominal wall whilst minimizing the damage to the internal organs.

    www.trevormarriott.co.uk

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  • Mark J D
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post
    ... Are you aware of the significance of Eddowes' navel being cut around? ...
    It's what a surgeon would instinctively do...?

    Originally posted by DJA View Post
    Rhetorical question
    Whoops. Sorry.

    M.

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  • NotBlamedForNothing
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    The two Xanthelasmas required light and a small scalpel,so Sutton strangled Eddowes inside 6 Mitre Street, whilst waiting for Edward Watkin to make his 1.30am pass with lantern.
    The other injuries would have been inflicted in the corner of Mitre Square.
    However, ...

    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    They were not mutilations.

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  • Guest
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    Originally posted by GBinOz View Post

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    I don't need a gun! I've got a DONK!

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  • GBinOz
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    The big ones like Mitre Square are known as Foster's Larger
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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

    and so were all the other sketches prepared by Foster

    www.trevormarriott.co.uk
    The big ones like Mitre Square are known as Foster's Larger

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  • FISHY1118
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    So am i getting an apology or what

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  • Trevor Marriott
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

    Just to dampen your sarcasm it is still normal procedure for the authorities to use the services of a plan drawer for court purposes in major cases and it seems that in 1888 that was the procedure and Foster didnt try to replicate Browns sketch and even Browns sketch is not accurate the clothes were drawn up his sketch shows they were cut completely open ]

    Of course the plan I posted was for the Coroner's Court.
    It said so in the bottom left hand margin.


    and so were all the other sketches prepared by Foster

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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

    Just to dampen your sarcasm it is still normal procedure for the authorities to use the services of a plan drawer for court purposes in major cases and it seems that in 1888 that was the procedure and Foster didnt try to replicate Browns sketch and even Browns sketch is not accurate the clothes were drawn up his sketch shows they were cut completely open ]

    Of course the plan I posted was for the Coroner's Court.
    It said so in the bottom left hand margin.



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  • DJA
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    Sarcasm,moi? Nah.

    Honestly reckon Foster's sketch was more palatable for the Coroner's Court.

    Not a kidney joke either

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  • Trevor Marriott
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    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

    Just to dampen your sarcasm it is still normal procedure for the authorities to use the services of a plan drawer for court purposes in major cases and it seems that in 1888 that was the procedure and Foster didnt try to replicate Browns sketch and even Browns sketch is not accurate the clothes were drawn up his sketch shows they were cut completely open ]


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  • Trevor Marriott
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post
    Perhaps Brown's drawing was way too good

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    Just to dampen your sarcasm it is still normal procedure for the authorities to use the services of a plan drawer for court purposes in major cases and it seems that in 1888 that was the procedure and Foster didnt try to replicate Browns sketch

    www.trevormarriott.co.uk
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  • DJA
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    Perhaps Brown's drawing was way too good

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  • Trevor Marriott
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    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

    Ok, thanks Trevor. I see from Dave's post the line is a crease on a bigger piece of paper that the copy of the sketch has been put on.

    I think, though, given the larger context the image is embedded in, the wording means the sketch as shown on the poster is from Foster's sketch that he made at the mortuary, not that Foster copied a sketch that was at the mortuary.

    Still looking to find out how they made those copies back in 1888.

    - Jeff
    Jeff
    I stand to be corrected but I dont think Foster ever attended the mortuary he was asked to prepare for the coroner court better quality images than Browns original sketches. I think the wording on the sketches is misleading.

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