Hats Off To Eddowes

[auspirograph]

He was looking for the note from his Fenian leader about where he should kill next. She was always the messenger, and the orders has always been in her hat before.

Mike

There is no evidence for your scenario but do dream on

[curious]

Hi Simon

Just out of interest, pawn tickets and bonnets were connected in the Diary

To save me looking it up again I'll just copy and paste the relevant post I made here if you don't mind

As follows...

I thought the diary mentioned that the clue was in the bonnet - which was what was left behind

The case (cigarette case) is mentioned, as is the knife, but "redeem it " seems to refer to a pawn shop - and if the writer redeemed it, then that would be a good clue

Perhaps the writer has a pawn ticket in relation to some type of case(?)

Here's the part in full...

bastard
Abberline
bonnet
hides all
clue
clever
will tell you more

Mr Abberline is a funny little man (line deleted)

Oh Mr Abberline, he is a clever little man
he keeps back all that he can
For do I not know better, Indeed I do
did I not leave him a very good clue
Nothing is mentioned, of this I am sure
ask clever Abberline, could tell you more

Sir Jim trip over
fear
have it near
redeem it near
case
post haste

He believes I will trip over
but have no fear
I cannot redeem it here (line deleted)
For I could not possibly redeem it here
Of this certain fact I could send him poste haste
if he requests that be the case

If the clue was the case itself, how does "redeem it near" refer to it?
One line says ...
"Of this certain fact I could send him poste haste"
As if the writer has something that he can send by post, which connects him with the crime, possibly with the case, and there is a clue in the bonnet

I would speculate that a pawn ticket relating to either the bonnet or the case was found and taken away - from the spilled tin of tickets

However, if you redeem a ticket, you receive the item back - is the ticket a left-over reference? ie Eddowes retained the ticket (?)

Was half of a ticket left in the bonnet lining and Maybrick has the other, matching half?

Hi, Simon,
Thanks for pasting the article. I kept looking here on Casebook and Googling it, but was not finding it.

At the moment I can't come up with possibilities other than those already mentioned. It would seem the most likely answer is that Kelly knew it was Eddowes' secret hiding place and wanted to see if anything of value were there -- no matter what it might have been. He was just checking somewhere no one else would have known to look.

Hi, Nemo,
I am very intrigued by your submission. I take it you believe the diary to be real?

When he is talking about redeeming the cigarette case, could the writer be saying he is saying he could not claim it -- would that not be the same thing? Or that if asked about it, he would deny leaving it?

The case does seem to become very important here.

I don't think it is any surprise to hear that Abberline and the officials kept back information. They always do, seem to always have. But the case was mentioned. That leaves it out as the clue, according to the "poem."

very, very interesting. Thanks for sharing that.

[curious]

Now one might think that John was counting on her having reached the daughter and scrounging money from her. But John also claims he knew she had been in gaol. Did he seriously imagine that she had been liberated at 1.00 AM, walked all the way to her daughter's, and then was given money?

Cheers.
LC

Hi, Lynn,
I don't think that is reasonable. But thinking she had reached her daughter, been given money, then celebrated by getting roaring drunk on her way home might have occurred to him.

Therefore checking her bonnet may have been his hope that she had not drunk up all her money.

[lynn cates]

intimate knowledge

Hello Velma. So you consider that he knew her habits well?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

in jest-ion

Hello Spiro. I believe Michael was in jest.

Cheers.
LC

[auspirograph]

indi-jest-ion

Hello Spiro. I believe Michael was in jest.

Cheers.
LC

Yes Lynn, I know, Michael is Casebook's court jester...but then again, sarcasm wasn't meant to be logical, or intellectual!

So Simon, what rabbit are you going to pull out of Eddowe's hat?

[auspirograph]

...that was Eddowes', or if you prefer Eddowes's hat, not rabbits!

[Monty]

Hello Neil. But what causes my eyebrows to rise is the notion that she might have money there. She was supposed to be destitute and completely without money. That is why there is the story about contacting the daughter.

Now one might think that John was counting on her having reached the daughter and scrounging money from her. But John also claims he knew she had been in gaol. Did he seriously imagine that she had been liberated at 1.00 AM, walked all the way to her daughter's, and then was given money?

Cheers.
LC

Come now Lynn, no need to be so naive.

Monty

[lynn cates]

In donde esta'?

Hello Neil. So you, too, think John never believed that story about a trip to Bermondsey? Splendid.

But then how did John REALLY account for her long absence? He knew the police would release her same night. Now if she's NOT in Bermondsey nor yet at Flower and Dean, where did he think she was all that time? Walking the streets for 2 days without respite?

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

Hello Velma. So you consider that he knew her habits well?

Cheers.
LC

After 7 years should he not?

[Monty]

Hello Neil. So you, too, think John never believed that story about a trip to Bermondsey? Splendid.

But then how did John REALLY account for her long absence? He knew the police would release her same night. Now if she's NOT in Bermondsey nor yet at Flower and Dean, where did he think she was all that time? Walking the streets for 2 days without respite?

Cheers.
LC

No Lynn,

I didnt say that. I say Kelly knew Eddowes and her habits.

Monty

[Simon Wood]

Hi Spiro,

Sorry to disappoint you, but I have no rabbits.

I merely found the reference intriguing.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

gone into hiding

Hello Velma, Neil. OK, I get it.

If she were used to squandering the proceeds, perhaps she would expect a hiding?

Cheers.
LC

[Nemo]

Hi Curious

I have little doubt in my mind that the Diary is a modern fake

The post was made when discussing the ideas motives of the hoaxer

The mention of a clue in the bonnet is intriguing though

Regards

Nemo

[Addy]

Hi all,

This is the first time I have heard about Kelly searching Kate's hat, but could it be that the police asked him if the tickets they found were the only ones she had with her and he knew there should be another one, perhaps hidden in her hat? Or he noticed the missing ticket and started to look in all places to be sure it wasn't there? Just guessing here.

Greetings,

Addy