The Apron

[Fleetwood Mac]

As rock stars, I'm not so sure I'd expect them to have a good schoolboy's hand, so now we're left looking for an accomplice.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Five Star.

Exerted huge influence over the choice of murder sites.

[Tom_Wescott]

As rock stars, I'm not so sure I'd expect them to have a good schoolboy's hand, so now we're left looking for an accomplice.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Fleetwood Mac]

I think it's time our own 'FM' fessed up to what he knows, and that is that the rock band Fleetwood Mac, are actually 3000 years old and responsible for the Ripper crimes. And I have proof.

1) They were so bold as to leave their own initials on Kelly's wall, to be discovered years later by mortal minion Simon (Fleet)wood.

2) The two V's on Eddowes cheeks were the mark of both Jim and Christine McVie.

3) The eyelid nicks were the mark of Stevie Nicks, herself.

4) The murders created an arrow pointing to none other than....wait for it...


BUCKINGHAM PALACE!!! This is where Lindsey was situated, heading up Scotland Yard and the Fenians in their plot to assassinate not only Arthur Balfour, but Queen Victoria herself.

See, sometimes you can stumble upon the truth from listening to Rumours.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Sounds good, Tom.

Credit where's it due.

You did forget to mention, however, that the band had their fun with Eddowes before retiring to the studio to record their new album, and then returned to the street with the cloth, a piece of chalk and a good schoolboy's hand.

[Steven Russell]

I think it's time our own 'FM' fessed up to what he knows, and that is that the rock band Fleetwood Mac, are actually 3000 years old and responsible for the Ripper crimes. And I have proof.

1) They were so bold as to leave their own initials on Kelly's wall, to be discovered years later by mortal minion Simon (Fleet)wood.

2) The two V's on Eddowes cheeks were the mark of both Jim and Christine McVie.

3) The eyelid nicks were the mark of Stevie Nicks, herself.

4) The murders created an arrow pointing to none other than....wait for it...


BUCKINGHAM PALACE!!! This is where Lindsey was situated, heading up Scotland Yard and the Fenians in their plot to assassinate not only Arthur Balfour, but Queen Victoria herself.

See, sometimes you can stumble upon the truth from listening to Rumours.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Brilliant! I could believe this if I didn't have so much invested in my Dr. Mopp theory. Still no publisher for that oddly enough.

Best wishes,
Steve.

[Tom_Wescott]

Fleetwood Mac the Knife

I think it's time our own 'FM' fessed up to what he knows, and that is that the rock band Fleetwood Mac, are actually 3000 years old and responsible for the Ripper crimes. And I have proof.

1) They were so bold as to leave their own initials on Kelly's wall, to be discovered years later by mortal minion Simon (Fleet)wood.

2) The two V's on Eddowes cheeks were the mark of both Jim and Christine McVie.

3) The eyelid nicks were the mark of Stevie Nicks, herself.

4) The murders created an arrow pointing to none other than....wait for it...


BUCKINGHAM PALACE!!! This is where Lindsey was situated, heading up Scotland Yard and the Fenians in their plot to assassinate not only Arthur Balfour, but Queen Victoria herself.

See, sometimes you can stumble upon the truth from listening to Rumours.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil Carter]

Hello Mac.

"I'm assuming you think the apron was placed at GS in order to gain access to the tenants?"

Well, I may not have stated it exactly that way. Of course, all this is mere theorising.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn, FM,

IF Halse placed that apron piece there.. then it was done deliberately. The writing on the wall certainly might come into play.

I am reminded of the attention given by some police quarters towards the Jews throughout this. Pizer (leather apron), the Anderson theory, the Swanson theory, the none provable Seaside home theory with the "would not identify a fellow Jew"...amongst other situations.

It could well be a straight forward case of deflection away from the truth. Hence the placing of the apron, the immediate "double event" assumption and everyone nicely running around like headless chickens. Confusion, deflection and clouding the water..deliberately...for unknown reasons.

The amazing thing in all of this is how quickly the Press got wind of what had happened.

best wishes

Phil

[Monty]

Hi FM,

Make the leap.

The only problem with your No.2 is that nobody will give it house room.

Except, perhaps, me and, at the last count, about twenty-three others.

Regards,

Simon

Yes Phil,

Make that leap. Just as Simon says.

Monty

[Simon Wood]

Hi FM,

Make the leap.

The only problem with your No.2 is that nobody will give it house room.

Except, perhaps, me and, at the last count, about twenty-three others.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

theorising

Hello Mac.

"I'm assuming you think the apron was placed at GS in order to gain access to the tenants?"

Well, I may not have stated it exactly that way. Of course, all this is mere theorising.

Cheers.
LC

[Fleetwood Mac]

Mac,

"then I'd suggest he ducked into what he considered to be the nearest safe spot to have a breather and steady himself."

I agree. There is that possibility, as Long walked past, he was in the dwelling just ducking away briefly.

Or we can look at the conviluted theory of Halse which I must steer you all away from as it will upset the applecart of Ripperology and....actually, I can't be arsed. Y'all have the right to assess the evidence and draw your own conclusions. I commend Phil for trying that.

Well done Phil, good job.

Monty

Hello Monty,

Well, I lean towards:

1) My favoured scenario: the apron was placed there by Jack between 2.20 and 2.55, with Jack unable to raise his head above the parapet until that time.

2) Second favoured option, and not far behind: the apron was placed there by the police. I couldn't make the leap to the police being involved in the murders; the only explanation I could offer is that it was done to gain access to the tenants in the building.

Scenario 1 is supported by witness/police testimony; scenario 2 allows for a little creative licence without going too overboard. In the event scenario 1 is the correct answer then it would suggest he had no option but to go that way home, and he musn't have lived very far away at all.

I personally don't see anything other than a man who did pretty much what most serial killers do. They take risks, e.g. dragging women off the street in some cases, and with a mix cunning and limited police technology he managed to evade the polis during 5 possibly 6 murders. There's a good debate to be had as to whether Jack would have been unlucky to have been caught.

[Fleetwood Mac]

Hello Mac. Well, looks that way to me.

But whom?

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn,

I'm assuming you think the apron was placed at GS in order to gain access to the tenants?

[lynn cates]

whim

Hello Phil. Are you saying that the apron piece could be a bit of a "whim" behaviour?

Cheers.
LC

[Phil Carter]

Well, the "theory" about Halse isn't a "Halse was the killer" theory..unlike the people who place Kosminski at Goulston Street without one shred of evidence, or Druitt at Mitre Square and Goulston Street, again without a shred of evidence, and lable them as killers...which has NOT been done with Halse.

All I have done is shown that one person alone is shown to have been in the right place at the right time for the dropping of the apron piece. I haven't said he did do it, but absolutely no other known person from the evidence we have been given could possibly have done what Halse could have done in the exact time available.

Like I said.. because he was a policeman, does NOT make him immune from being an accomplice..for reasons unknown...and that's a darn sight more viable than labelling innocent people as killers without a shred of evidence of them actually being anywhere near the places in question!

What I am trying, perhaps poorly, to say is this...

The myth of a single killer has gone on long enough in this genre. There is a grave doubt in respected quarters as to whether Stride, for one, was a victim of the same hand as the others. Now that makes TWO killers running around Whitechapel. TWO, not one.

Other respected quarters, some the same, have questioned whether Mary Kelly was a victim of the same killer as well. That makes at least TWO, possibly THREE different killers. There is no way around this. If any one victim is not considered a victim of the same hand as the others.. then there is more than one killer involved.

Which means, that we go back to scratch and look at things in an open way WITHOUT being influenced by "Jack the Ripper- 5 woman killing machine".

So if, and it is an if, IF Kate Eddowes was NOT one of the odd ones out (RE. Stride and Kelly, above)..then whoever killed Eddowes is placed in a totally different catagory than the killer of Stride and Kelly. That means that the "double event" is a made up theory... and therefore all connections with "coming from Berner Street" to kill Eddowes must be ignored. Therefore, a fresh INDIVIDUAL approach to each murder is needed. And looking at the known evidence, Halse's positioning, timing, actions and opportunity would have made the man an ideal accomplice..if he didn't happen to be a policeman. That's all I have said.

Means are present, opportunity is present, but we lack a motive. Now that's exactly the same as any theory yet put forward for any named would-be murderer..except no one has yet placed any one of the named suspects anywhere near the site of Goulston Street. All without means and opportunity.

You see, if we WERE able to show ONE of the crimes was of a different hand... then the whole JTR scenario would likely change.

We wouldn't have "Jack the Ripper" anymore.

What effect would that have? Simple.

History would have to be re-written..and any theory, book, film, adaptation, money-making scheme or idea based upon a lone killer would be worthless. Past, present or future.

"Jack the Ripper" is a successful brand name that makes money. Take a look at the new series being drummed up for British TV, and the quotes coming from the makers of how much of a successful "product" Jack the Ripper is....

Change history, and you change that. Forever.

The apron COULD have been dropped by Halse. Why? We don't know. But he was there---unlike the single JTR that by sheer fact, or lack of them, cannot be Kosminsky or Druitt..who were not there in Goulston Street and it is wrong to assume they were.

And if THAT is the case... then all the theories attached to Swanson, Anderson and MacNagthen are worthless. Because if there were more than one killer involved in the 5 murders, their theories are based on a falsity. No single killer. And that will upset all who believe that these erudite men are the be all and end all of given historical Ripperology.

Just who else could have dropped the apron piece, known to have been in the right place at the right time? The two unknown men Halse stopped before entering Goulston Street? From which direction were they coming from/going to? Is the time correct? If so.. and this is assumption, that these two were involved in the dropping of the rag.. then we have TWO people here alone involved in one aspect of one murder. Thats a possibility too. Not as precise, time and place wise as Halse, but a possibility. So I dont have a conclusion as such... I have possibilities. Halse cleared these men, apparently..so it weakens that argument.

best wishes

Phil

[Monty]

Personally, I find it hard to believe that he walked from MS to GS wiping his hands all along the way.

If the knife wiping thing is the correct answer, then I'd suggest he ducked into what he considered to be the nearest safe spot to have a breather and steady himself.

Still, in the event he dropped the apron between 2.20 and 2.55, then where was he for at least half an hour?

Mac,

"then I'd suggest he ducked into what he considered to be the nearest safe spot to have a breather and steady himself."

I agree. There is that possibility, as Long walked past, he was in the dwelling just ducking away briefly.

Or we can look at the conviluted theory of Halse which I must steer you all away from as it will upset the applecart of Ripperology and....actually, I can't be arsed. Y'all have the right to assess the evidence and draw your own conclusions. I commend Phil for trying that.

Well done Phil, good job.

Monty

[harry]

I would suspect that as soon as the killer was satisfied,or possibly interupted,and decided to leave,his thoughts would be to leave as quickly as possible.The cleaning could be accomplished on the way.The hands,cuffs and forearms would have been the main areas of saturation,and I do not accept that the time it would have taken to reach Goulsten Street,was excessive,and I see no reason why it had to be continuous wiping.The entrance was a good place to have a final look,however,and to discard the apron piece if satisfied.