The Apron

[lynn cates]

cooperation

Hello Phil. Well, I've always wondered how this case would proceed with cooperation. Maybe some day?

Or am I dreaming?

Cheers.
LC

[Steven Russell]

Thank you, Trevor for a reminder of far-off days. Bingo from The Banana Splits was probably my first ever hero. Still, time marches on and the cares of adulthood inevitably mean that our admiration shifts to worthier recipients. These days I prefer Drooper.

Steve.

[Trevor Marriott]

[QUOTE=Monty;195811]Ha ha, that made me laugh Trevor.

You saying you Policemen aint the brightest?

Monty
[/QUOTE

Wel I am sure you are testment to that

And I thought you might like to see a pic taken at out last case conference.

I also found a pic of you when you were in the fraud squad 9- 5 job no weekends and never had to out alone in the dark

[Phil Carter]

"that respect you crave from me will flow forth"

Crave? Oh, no. It just seems to me that respect is a human thing. I see no reason why it should not be shown, even to those with whom we disagree.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

Respect? A human thing? Shown to all? You jest surely sir.. we few merry musketeers get respect?--no chance!.. after all, any percieved inbalance of what we are supposed to believe being wrong, especially any police actions..it upsets the status quo. The wheels come off the Ripperology wagon that way. Then no-one is holding the strings to pull in the direction we are all supposed to go. Like sheep. Baaaaaa!

Confusing, criticizing, belittling,mickey taking, ignoring, bewitching, bothering and cajoling us doesn't work.

Lynn, perhaps as a Doctor you can prescribe some logical methodology reading for any wannabe puppeteers?

Perhaps a thesis on the logic of "pulling the apron strings" would be appropriate, given the thread? haha!

kindly

Phil

[Hunter]

McWilliams was writing a summary report for the Home Office that included some of the police action on the night of the murder plus relevant material on events in the days after - including the Lusk Letter. That Halse stopped two men that night would have been of little use in a Home Office report.

When McWilliams wrote this, "The officer Halse went in the direction of Whitechapel and passed through Goulston Street - where part of the decease's apron was subsequently found at 2.20 a.m.; on returning to the Square he heard that part of an apron stained with blood had been found in Goulstone Street, he then went with DC Lawley & DC Hunt to Leman St. Station and from there to Goulstone Street where, the spot at which the apron was found was pointed out to him..." he did not mean that the apron was found at 2.20, otherwise, the rest of the sentence wouldn't make sense. He meant Halse passed through Goulston St. at 2.20 where the apron was subsequently found.

McWilliams left out some of Halse's movements for brevity and because this portion of his report was trying to focus on actions directly involved with the events at the Model Dwellings themselves, which was of concern to the Home Office because of Warren's controversial decision.

The Home Office would have had the inquest reports as published in the press. They were attempting to find some explanation from McWilliams beyond that pertaining to the police actions at Goulston St., their subsequent investigation, witnesses and the Lusk Letter.

From their own internal communications, it is apparent that the Home Office was not satisfied with McWilliam's report. Charles Murdoch, of the Home office wrote. "The printed report of the Inquest contains much more information than this."

It should be noted that the Home Office waited just a few days shy of a month to ask for the report and the City Police were under no obligation to submit one as they did not fall under Home Office jurisdiction as the Met was.

[Trevor Marriott]

Oh dear,

Larry, Curly and Mo, The 3 conspirateers are having a ball tonight.

Sign off dates Larry, I mean Simon.

And Mo, I told you, Halse wasn't searching doorways. He was clear when he said of his pass down Goulston Street that had the apron been there he wouldn't have seen it, indicating he was not searching doorways.

I explained to you why Halse travelled that far. You sure you were a Detective? You didn't just dream it or got confused with a Doorman job?

Its a good job no one takes you 3 seriously.

Monty

Halse was searching doorways because quote "About 2.20am I passed over the spot where the piece of apron was found I did not notice anything" Therefore if anything had have been there he would have found it so therefore that shows he was looking in doorways etc.

And as to your explanation well you tell me I am dreaming hmmmmmm.

You really need to get out more you are spending to much time in front of your computer

[Trevor Marriott]

Oh dear,

Larry, Curly and Mo, The 3 conspirateers are having a ball tonight.

Sign off dates Larry, I mean Simon.

And Mo, I told you, Halse wasn't searching doorways. He was clear when he said of his pass down Goulston Street that had the apron been there he wouldn't have seen it, indicating he was not searching doorways.

I explained to you why Halse travelled that far. You sure you were a Detective? You didn't just dream it or got confused with a Doorman job?

Its a good job no one takes you 3 seriously.

Monty

Halse was searching doorways because quote "About 2.20am I passed over the spot where the piece of apron was found I did not notice anything" Therefore if anything had have been there he would have found it so therefore that shows he was looking in doorways etc.

And as to your explanation well you tell me I am dreaming get a life please.

[lynn cates]

reply

Hello Neil.

"What do you mean providing he had time?"

I mean Kate's assailant. Did he not "disappear" just ahead of the coppers?

"Apologies Lynn"

No need to apologise. I was thinking in terms of a moratorium.

"However, I was not initially making a snide comment. Apologies if that's how you viewed it."

I was reacting to the suggestion about logic. I intuit that you meant reasoning. Accepted.

"And maybe if you cut the smart ass comments"

Delighted so to do. Of course, you'll need to give me an example of such.

"draw in the academic snobbery"

Sorry, don't know what that means. Are you suggesting that I murder the Queen's English? I could, but what would Caz say?

"that respect you crave from me will flow forth"

Crave? Oh, no. It just seems to me that respect is a human thing. I see no reason why it should not be shown, even to those with whom we disagree.

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

Well it shows you cant rely on the police evidence when they sat down together and still got it all wrong.

Ha ha, that made me laugh Trevor.

You saying you Policemen aint the brightest?

Monty

[Trevor Marriott]

Which begs the question why the diddly didn't Halse and Long do that?

Monty

Well it shows you cant rely on the police evidence when they sat down together and still got it all wrong.

[Monty]

I can confirm as can Stewart and Monty that when a number of policemen are involved in the same incident to ensure they are all singing from the same songsheet, when it comes to writing up their reports they will sit down togther to ensure they all corroborate each other. ! ! !

Need I say anything more

Which begs the question why the diddly didn't Halse and Long do that?

Monty

[Monty]

Oh dear,

Larry, Curly and Mo, The 3 conspirateers are having a ball tonight.

Sign off dates Larry, I mean Simon.

And Mo, I told you, Halse wasn't searching doorways. He was clear when he said of his pass down Goulston Street that had the apron been there he wouldn't have seen it, indicating he was not searching doorways.

I explained to you why Halse travelled that far. You sure you were a Detective? You didn't just dream it or got confused with a Doorman job?

Its a good job no one takes you 3 seriously.

Monty

[Trevor Marriott]

Hello Simon,

Of course a police apologist would think of that jiving as coincidence..not ducking and diving..eh?

Remember remember the 6th of November.. nicely in time for a certain person's departure from office on the 8th.

Wonder if Warren ever realised what merry dance was being tapped out below him? Jitterbug perhaps?

All on the 6th eh? Now collusion wouldn't be thought of by these honourable men would it..all getting together on the same day to sign some papers.. heaven forbid! Ye gads!

kindly

Phil

I can confirm as can Stewart and Monty that when a number of policemen are involved in the same incident to ensure they are all singing from the same songsheet, when it comes to writing up their reports they will sit down togther to ensure they all corroborate each other. ! ! !

Need I say anything more

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

If anyone believes that Warren got the bum's rush for writing an anodyne article in Murrays Magazine, they should desperately seek a reality check.

Regards,

Simon

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Curious,

Its mentioned in my post.

On his way out of Mitre Square, at the junction of Middlesex St and Wentworth St, Halse stopped two people and searched them.

Happy with their story he let them on their way and he proceded to Goulston St. Due to his movements, one assumes he entered Goulston St from the north.

If Halse had taken the apron piece why waste time stop/searching? Why not move straight to the dwellings?

Its a case of questioning for questionings sake. It brings nothing but unfounded conjecture and spreads myth.

This from a man who states we have a responsibility to present the truth.

Monty

And you know as well as i do that policemen are at times less then liberal with the truth. He may well have been seen by these two persons so to justify his actions he stops and speaks to them thus avoiding them at some time in the future coming foward and saying they saw a man in Middlesx St.