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  • Simon Wood
    Commissioner
    • Feb 2008
    • 5552

    #286
    Shameless plug.

    May I commend for your elucidation pages 375 to 379 of the revised edition of "Deconstructing Jack: The Secret History of the Whitechapel Murders"?

    Thank you.
    Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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    • Elamarna
      Commissioner
      • Sep 2014
      • 5807

      #287
      Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
      Shameless plug.

      May I commend for your elucidation pages 375 to 379 of the revised edition of "Deconstructing Jack: The Secret History of the Whitechapel Murders"?

      Thank you.
      Simon, which chapter are we talking about, i have the kindle version, page numbers are not of much use.

      many thanks in advanve


      Steve

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      • Herlock Sholmes
        Commissioner
        • May 2017
        • 22329

        #288
        Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post
        No worries, Herlock. The point he is making is a strange one. He seems to be stating that if the Brewery clock chimed 5:15 as she turned into Hanbury Street, and she arrived at the market at around 5:31 or 5:32 (as she estimated), it would have taken her a ridiculous 15-17 minutes to walk two blocks, thus the clock struck 5:30 and not 5.15.

        However, it goes without saying that this is not the argument that you and Yost and Begg are making. Long didn't estimate her entry into Hanbury Street based on one clock, and her entry into the market based on a different clock, and not notice the 15 minute discrepancy. So it's rather an absurd point. Rather, the suggestion is that she was 15 minutes off throughout her journey and she was still using the "mistaken" time to estimate her entry into the market. So I think we can dismiss that particular argument. Cheers.
        Thanks for that RJ
        Regards

        Herlock Sholmes

        ”I think that Herlock is a genius.” Trevor Marriott

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        • Simon Wood
          Commissioner
          • Feb 2008
          • 5552

          #289
          Hi Steve,

          Kindles are a mystery unto themselves.

          I can only recommend a search on Cadosch or Mrs Long/Durrell.

          Regards,

          Simon
          Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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          • Abby Normal
            Commissioner
            • Jun 2010
            • 11939

            #290
            The simplest explanation was that Long was off on her time/chime and both her and cadosh were correct on seeing or hearing Annie in her last moments.

            Why her being off and not Cadosh?

            Because she saw/heard something innocuous during a journey, and cadosh something a little more strange right when hes getting ready to leave his residence-I think he would have been a little more in tune with the time.
            "Is all that we see or seem
            but a dream within a dream?"

            -Edgar Allan Poe


            "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
            quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

            -Frederick G. Abberline

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            • Herlock Sholmes
              Commissioner
              • May 2017
              • 22329

              #291
              Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
              The simplest explanation was that Long was off on her time/chime and both her and cadosh were correct on seeing or hearing Annie in her last moments.

              Why her being off and not Cadosh?

              Because she saw/heard something innocuous during a journey, and cadosh something a little more strange right when hes getting ready to leave his residence-I think he would have been a little more in tune with the time.
              Same here Abby. It’s Cadosch over Long for me if it comes to a choice. And as I feel that Richardson was overwhelmingly likely to have been correct then him leaving an empty yard at 4.50 leaves an easy 15 or so minutes for Annie to arrive with her killer.
              Regards

              Herlock Sholmes

              ”I think that Herlock is a genius.” Trevor Marriott

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              • Elamarna
                Commissioner
                • Sep 2014
                • 5807

                #292
                Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                Hi Steve,

                Kindles are a mystery unto themselves.

                I can only recommend a search on Cadosch or Mrs Long/Durrell.

                Regards,

                Simon
                thanks Simon.

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                • Bridewell
                  Commissioner
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 4039

                  #293
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                  How did Cadosch note the time as being specifically 5.32am? This image was recorded at 5.32 (though a.m. not p.m.). I could only see that it was about 5.30 when I took it. What reason did Cadosch have to make such a precise note of what the time was and to remember having done so? Perhaps because it was part of his daily routine. Even so it seems a strangely precise recollection.
                  I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                  • Abby Normal
                    Commissioner
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 11939

                    #294
                    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                    Same here Abby. It’s Cadosch over Long for me if it comes to a choice. And as I feel that Richardson was overwhelmingly likely to have been correct then him leaving an empty yard at 4.50 leaves an easy 15 or so minutes for Annie to arrive with her killer.
                    yup-exactly.
                    "Is all that we see or seem
                    but a dream within a dream?"

                    -Edgar Allan Poe


                    "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                    quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                    -Frederick G. Abberline

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                    • Bridewell
                      Commissioner
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 4039

                      #295
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                      Perhaps when he said that he noted the time as he passed the Spitalfields Church he meant when he had a good view of it from the far side of Commercial Street - although that would presumably make his departure from home time earlier still.
                      I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                      • Bridewell
                        Commissioner
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 4039

                        #296
                        Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                        Same here Abby. It’s Cadosch over Long for me if it comes to a choice. And as I feel that Richardson was overwhelmingly likely to have been correct then him leaving an empty yard at 4.50 leaves an easy 15 or so minutes for Annie to arrive with her killer.
                        If I remember correctly that (a preference for Cadosch's time) was the coroner's view also, even though he found Long's evidence impressive in every other respect..
                        I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                        • Simon Wood
                          Commissioner
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 5552

                          #297
                          If Mrs. Long/Durrell was correct in her assertion that Chapman was alive at 5.30 am, then what Cadosch heard in his back yard ten, and then five, minutes earlier could not have had anything to do with her murder.
                          Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                          • Herlock Sholmes
                            Commissioner
                            • May 2017
                            • 22329

                            #298
                            Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                            If Mrs. Long/Durrell was correct in her assertion that Chapman was alive at 5.30 am, then what Cadosch heard in his back yard ten, and then five, minutes earlier could not have had anything to do with her murder.
                            True Simon but don’t you think that it’s at least possible that she was mistaken and that it was 5.15 instead. If that was the case then Richardson, Long and Cadosch can line up ok.

                            If she was correct at 5.30 then Richardson is fine but Cadosch was wrong.

                            Who was correct?
                            Regards

                            Herlock Sholmes

                            ”I think that Herlock is a genius.” Trevor Marriott

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                            • Simon Wood
                              Commissioner
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 5552

                              #299
                              Hi Herlock,

                              Sorry to bat on about my book, but in the previously referenced pages I do discuss the matter of timing and the wacky input of Wynne Baxter.

                              Regards,

                              Simon
                              Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                              • Herlock Sholmes
                                Commissioner
                                • May 2017
                                • 22329

                                #300
                                Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                                Hi Herlock,

                                Sorry to bat on about my book, but in the previously referenced pages I do discuss the matter of timing and the wacky input of Wynne Baxter.

                                Regards,

                                Simon
                                No problem Simon. I will check it out as soon as I get home. I’m pretty sure that I have the updated edition
                                Regards

                                Herlock Sholmes

                                ”I think that Herlock is a genius.” Trevor Marriott

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