AC and TOD

[Observer]

Hey Lynn

No worries. English grammar you go down a bomb, spelling likewise. Latin phrases you could play for England, you could give Julius Caesar a run for his money. Logic not so good, room for improvment, no big deal. Some of us have it, some of us don't, hang in there.

all the best

Observer

[Observer]

Hi Lynn

Ehhh??? Sorry???

You're talking in riddles again. What is about to smack you.

Logic of course, can't you read English. My Dictum

"You wouldn't recognise logic if it came up and smacked you between the eyes."

It's plain to see.

all the best

Observer

[lynn cates]

antecedent of the pronoun

Hello Observer. What is the antecedent of the pronoun "it"? What is about to smack me?

The best.
LC

[Observer]

Hi Lynn

By the way, who's pissed? I'll have you know I'm tea total

Poles apart or not, believe me, Lawende, Levy, and Harris, saw Catherine Eddowes with JTR at approximately 1:35 a.m. 30th September 1888. And as far as logic is concerned, taking into consideration your supposition

" one could claim Lawende did not see Kate, that she was already inside Mitre square at the time. On this scenario, perhaps Jack was hiding inside one of the empty houses."

You wouldn't recognise logic if it came up and smacked you between the eyes.

all the best

Observer

[lynn cates]

epistemology

Hello Observer. Belief in the same breath as certainty? Those are poles apart, epistemologically speaking.

"I suppose one could claim . . ."

A supposition is baffling? In logic, one may suppose anything to see what follows from it.

The best.
LC

[Observer]

PS wouldn't he have said

"Get a gripski Lynn"

[Observer]

Hi Lynn

A certainty, believe me.

I reiterate, regarding your comment

"I suppose one could claim Lawende did not see Kate, that she was already inside Mitre square at the time. On this scenario, perhaps Jack was hiding inside one of the empty houses."

This baffles me, it does not make any sense, non whatsoever. We have JTR hiding inside an empty house in Mitre Square, suddenly leaping out upon a passing Catherine Eddowes. Really.

all the best

Observer

[lynn cates]

certainty

Hello Observer.

"post hoc ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy. Google it and see what you find.

If Aaron lived in the UK, I daresay he knew many Lynns. It is a very old Scottish name.

A certainty? Can you explain how ANYTHING apprehended through the 5 sensory modalities can count as certain? People in my line of work have sought an answer to that question for 2500 years. The answer still eludes us.

The best.
LC

[Observer]

Hello Observer.

"Because 10 minutes later Catherine Eddowes was found ripped to pieces in Mitre Square."

What does post hoc ergo propter hoc mean?

Ehhh??? " post hoc ergo propter hoc" where did that come from?

You are a one, quite the riddler.

"Get a grip Lynn"

Wasn't that Aaron Kosminski's line?

Did Aaron Kosminski know someone called Lynn? I never knew that.

"Lawende, Harris and Levy saw Jack the Ripper."

I would think that quite probable, at least, that's my belief. But that's ALL that it is.

It's a racing certainty

all the best

Observer

[Observer]

Hi Mike

As you were mentioning Observer, the fact that we have witnesses that saw Kate with someone less than 10 minutes before she is found in the condition she is in, does lend itself to a suggestion that the Three Wise Men saw Kate with her killer. But if the killer didnt work alone, or led Kate to someone else inside the Square waiting, it still would be workable timewise. The real killer took extra time to cut and rip the apron section free, to make the facial cuts, and to place a section of her colon between her arm and body....so the available minutes would be enough to allow for a "handoff", if you will. Or for the Sailor Man to leave and for Kate to enter the square alone.

Best regards all.

It is indeed workable, but we have to ask ourselves is the above scenario probable, and I think the answer to that is no. The fact is Catherine Eddowes and her companion were still engaged in conversation as Lawende and freinds left the scene, the minutes were ticking down Mike. And why would she enter the Square alone? I can't grasp what you're implying here.

all the best

Observer

[lynn cates]

respondeo quod

Hello Observer.

"Because 10 minutes later Catherine Eddowes was found ripped to pieces in Mitre Square."

What does post hoc ergo propter hoc mean?

"Get a grip Lynn"

Wasn't that Aaron Kosminski's line?

"Lawende, Harris and Levy saw Jack the Ripper."

I would think that quite probable, at least, that's my belief. But that's ALL that it is.

The best.
LC

I think that - considering how many potential witnesses there were - the question has to be quite what Macnaghten meant by that comment. And if he really meant that none of the possible witnesses had seen the killer, how on earth could he have known such a thing?

That is the point Chris, it would seem that to even begin to make a statement like that some prior information would be practical, and as we agree, we do have witness sightings of men with the victims in 4 of the Ripper cases, near to the times of their deaths. I believe that its possible that he was inferring that the killer was not seen by any resident witness.....but his comments suggest he was seen by a City PC. People assume he confused Smith at Berner with Lawende at Mitre, or something like that...but its possible he wasnt all that confused. Maybe no witness did see Jack with a soon to be victim other than a cop....at some venue. That might allow for the speculation that the killer surprised the women after they left the company of their clients.

As you were mentioning Observer, the fact that we have witnesses that saw Kate with someone less than 10 minutes before she is found in the condition she is in, does lend itself to a suggestion that the Three Wise Men saw Kate with her killer. But if the killer didnt work alone, or led Kate to someone else inside the Square waiting, it still would be workable timewise. The real killer took extra time to cut and rip the apron section free, to make the facial cuts, and to place a section of her colon between her arm and body....so the available minutes would be enough to allow for a "handoff", if you will. Or for the Sailor Man to leave and for Kate to enter the square alone.

Best regards all.

[Chris]

I think that - considering how many potential witnesses there were - the question has to be quite what Macnaghten meant by that comment. And if he really meant that none of the possible witnesses had seen the killer, how on earth could he have known such a thing?

[Observer]

Because 10 minutes later Catherine Eddowes was found ripped to pieces in Mitre Square. Get a grip Lynn, Lawende, Harris and Levy saw Jack the Ripper.

Sorry about the grammar, Maggy Ann and I seem to need some lessons.

all the best

Observer

[lynn cates]

exegetical difficulties

Hello Observer.

"So who[m] did Levy and Harris observe, with Catherine Eddowes, the Archbishop of Canterbury?"

I'm not sure, but perhaps even his Holiness needed diversion.

"In short Lawende's sighting was corroborated."

It was indeed. The 2 chaps with him did as much. And we know they corroborated that it was Jack and Kate because . . . ?

(Lest there be a misunderstanding, I prefer to think it was Kate and her assailant. I merely indicate a few exegetical difficulties.)

The best.
LC