Tumblety and Eddowes's Ring

[Chris Scott]

I have read today an account, apparently reported on Canadian television, that when Tumblety died, the nuns who sorted his belongings found a ring which was subsequently identified as belonging to Eddowes.
Whilst not putting much credence in this I was just wondering if anyone knew any more of this or where the story originated.

The version I read ran as follows:
"
However, what has also been overlooked more recently is Tumblety's demise. A few years ago another television documentary on Jack the Ripper traced the final days of Tumblety in Canada, where he died. The program finished showing his grave, erected by some nuns from a convent who looked after him during his illness until his death. Upon his death, the nuns made the usual arrangements of gathering his belongings. While going through his clothes, the nuns stumbled upon a piece of fake jewellery, notably, a ring. That ring was identified as the ring missing from Katherine Eddowes."

[Graham]

I have read today an account, apparently reported on Canadian television, that when Tumblety died, the nuns who sorted his belongings found a ring which was subsequently identified as belonging to Eddowes.
Whilst not putting much credence in this I was just wondering if anyone knew any more of this or where the story originated.

The version I read ran as follows:
"
However, what has also been overlooked more recently is Tumblety's demise. A few years ago another television documentary on Jack the Ripper traced the final days of Tumblety in Canada, where he died. The program finished showing his grave, erected by some nuns from a convent who looked after him during his illness until his death. Upon his death, the nuns made the usual arrangements of gathering his belongings. While going through his clothes, the nuns stumbled upon a piece of fake jewellery, notably, a ring. That ring was identified as the ring missing from Katherine Eddowes."

Hi Chris.

1] Tumblety died in St Louis, Missouri, in 1903, according to the reliable accounts.

2] He was apparently rather wealthy when he died, so why should a bunch of nuns go through his belongings (unless they were looking for jazz mags?)

3] How on earth would anyone know the provenance of any ring found in his effects, unless on the inside was inscribed something like, "Nicked from C Eddowes 1888".

Sounds like a load of old bollocks to me, mate.

Cheers,

Graham

[Chris Scott]

Pretty much my opinion
Chris

[c.d.]

Hi Graham

That was exactly the post I was going to make but you beat me to it. Would there have been anyone who was intimately familiar with cheap jewelry worn by a prostitute?

c.d.

[Graham]

Hi Graham

That was exactly the post I was going to make but you beat me to it. Would there have been anyone who was intimately familiar with cheap jewelry worn by a prostitute?

c.d.

Mind you, some of those old nuns had done the miles, mate....


Graham

[c.d.]

It also occurred to me that Tumblety was no dummy. He didn't know what awaited him when he landed in New York. If he had such a ring, I would expect that he would have thrown it into the Atlantic rather than risk having it discoverd on his person.

c.d.

[Graham]

It also occurred to me that Tumblety was no dummy. He didn't know what awaited him when he landed in New York. If he had such a ring, I would expect that he would have thrown it into the Atlantic rather than risk having it discoverd on his person.

c.d.

No, Tumblety was no dummy. He wasn't Jack the Ripper, either.

Cheers,

Graham

[Natalie Severn]

No, Tumblety was no dummy. He wasn't Jack the Ripper, either.

Cheers,

Graham

How can you be so certain Graham?

[Graham]

How can you be so certain Graham?

Hi Nats.

Well, of course, I can't be 100% certain. But as he was nearly six feet tall and with a great big handle-bar moustache, then I rather think that some kind of description of such a person lurking around the East End may have been recorded. And as we know, even at the time, his name was linked to the Ripper crimes...but to my mind he just doesn't fit....

...however, I do think that he was up to no good during his stay in London. Otherwise why the quick flit to the continent and thence back to the USA?

Cheers,

Graham

[Natalie Severn]

Hi Graham,
Well I sometimes wonder whetherTumblety was one of several men carrying out the murders.Perhaps the murders accompanied warning letters we know nothing about, sent to spy masters or someone such as Anderson.But whatever Tumblety"s role,he wasnt trusted . I wouldnt be surprised if he was a double agent,he was definitely watched and it appears,suspected of being the Ripper.
Best
Natalie

[Simon Wood]

Hi Natalie,

Suspicion of being the Ripper was Tumblety's cover.

Hide in plain sight.

Regards,

Simon

[Natalie Severn]

Hi Natalie,

Suspicion of being the Ripper was Tumblety's cover.

Hide in plain sight.

Regards,

Simon

Quite Simon, and maybe we are at last beginning to collectively crack it .

[Graham]

Yes, I think it very likely that Tumblety's main interest as far as the police were concerned was Fenian activities, and he may well have used the Ripper Scare to cover what he was actually up to.

Cheers,

Graham

[Trevor Marriott]

Another example to suggest that what is written in the newspapers regarding Jack The Ripper should not be totally relied on

[Dan Norder]

Typically when the rings found in Tumblety's possessions is discussed, it's to try to link it to Chapman, not Eddowes... and that was merely a wild, speculative assumption, not anything with any real evidence behind it.

And, like any story that gets transmitted for a while, new errors creep in, so now it supposedly belonged Eddowes instead of Chapman and it's discussed as if it were proven.

Similarly, all of us here should know that the story that Tumblety supposedly had a collection of uteri in jars only ever came from one source, and a highly dubious one at that. But, as the story got jumbled when some people either misread or misheard it, some of the less reliable sources are now claiming that the nuns found some of these jars among his possessions when he died.