Tumblety and Eddowes's Ring

[alf]

The ring theory is unfounded, but admittedly very interesting and mysterious.
A ring would have no doubt surfaced, and the fact that one has not more or less shows that this is an untrue story. Evidence always surfaces, i am quite sure there was a description of the ring somewhere, but one would have to believe that at least someone would come forward with a forgery!

As for tumblety being a clever fellow... certainly not stupid, but regarding the ring and whether or not he would have discarded it, (if this theory is to be believed) highly unlikely a serial killer would depart with a 'trophy' when he has gone to the trouble of taking it half way across the atlantic.

or maybe it was the uteruses (*) he valued?

either way tumblety was no our ripper, did he kill someone when in London, certainly possible, but then there were probably many killers in London around the same time as Jack, but they were not Jack.

[Moriarty]

Hi Natalie,

Suspicion of being the Ripper was Tumblety's cover.

Hide in plain sight.

Regards,

Simon

You think he was seeking the anonymity that comes with being suspected of being the most famous serial killer of all time?

Hello all,

The only connection Tumblety has with Canada is that he had offices at one time or another in Toronto, Montreal, and he set up shop in Nova Scotia I believe...where he was later accused of poisoning a "patient",..he of course fled.

I have read several sources that state in his possession, when his possessions were itemized after his death,..in St Louis, there were indeed not one but two rings, both of "flash" metals, not gold, found in his waistcoat pocket. Along with a quite expensive pocket watch, cash, and other things more befitting his wealth.

And the uteri jars that were mentioned by a questionable source, were never found.

That being said, as mentioned, his Fenian connections are very interesting, the Fenian Plot to assassinate Balfour was in full swing when he was there, and there is nothing that I know of that prohibits a 6 foot man from hiring a 5'6"-5'8" man to obtain specimens for him.

Best regards all.

[Dan Norder]

It was noted at the inquest into Chapman's death that she had had rings that had been recently removed from her finger, causing an abrasion. Technically I suppose we don't know that the Ripper took them, but we know they were missing and it seems to be the most likely scenario.

[Jeff Leahy]

Perhaps someone could phone 'mega' comedian Vic Reeves and give him an update....

Of course if there were any missing rings, the story would feed back to the Chapman murder...but the fact is that we simply dont know if Annie was missing any rings....

Surely you cant really believe the 'kernal Sarnders' suspect theory Naterlie?

Jef L x

[Dan Norder]

Typically when the rings found in Tumblety's possessions is discussed, it's to try to link it to Chapman, not Eddowes... and that was merely a wild, speculative assumption, not anything with any real evidence behind it.

And, like any story that gets transmitted for a while, new errors creep in, so now it supposedly belonged Eddowes instead of Chapman and it's discussed as if it were proven.

Similarly, all of us here should know that the story that Tumblety supposedly had a collection of uteri in jars only ever came from one source, and a highly dubious one at that. But, as the story got jumbled when some people either misread or misheard it, some of the less reliable sources are now claiming that the nuns found some of these jars among his possessions when he died.

[Trevor Marriott]

Another example to suggest that what is written in the newspapers regarding Jack The Ripper should not be totally relied on

[Graham]

Yes, I think it very likely that Tumblety's main interest as far as the police were concerned was Fenian activities, and he may well have used the Ripper Scare to cover what he was actually up to.

Cheers,

Graham

[Natalie Severn]

Hi Natalie,

Suspicion of being the Ripper was Tumblety's cover.

Hide in plain sight.

Regards,

Simon

Quite Simon, and maybe we are at last beginning to collectively crack it .

[Simon Wood]

Hi Natalie,

Suspicion of being the Ripper was Tumblety's cover.

Hide in plain sight.

Regards,

Simon

[Natalie Severn]

Hi Graham,
Well I sometimes wonder whetherTumblety was one of several men carrying out the murders.Perhaps the murders accompanied warning letters we know nothing about, sent to spy masters or someone such as Anderson.But whatever Tumblety"s role,he wasnt trusted . I wouldnt be surprised if he was a double agent,he was definitely watched and it appears,suspected of being the Ripper.
Best
Natalie

[Graham]

How can you be so certain Graham?

Hi Nats.

Well, of course, I can't be 100% certain. But as he was nearly six feet tall and with a great big handle-bar moustache, then I rather think that some kind of description of such a person lurking around the East End may have been recorded. And as we know, even at the time, his name was linked to the Ripper crimes...but to my mind he just doesn't fit....

...however, I do think that he was up to no good during his stay in London. Otherwise why the quick flit to the continent and thence back to the USA?

Cheers,

Graham

[Natalie Severn]

No, Tumblety was no dummy. He wasn't Jack the Ripper, either.

Cheers,

Graham

How can you be so certain Graham?

[Graham]

It also occurred to me that Tumblety was no dummy. He didn't know what awaited him when he landed in New York. If he had such a ring, I would expect that he would have thrown it into the Atlantic rather than risk having it discoverd on his person.

c.d.

No, Tumblety was no dummy. He wasn't Jack the Ripper, either.

Cheers,

Graham

[c.d.]

It also occurred to me that Tumblety was no dummy. He didn't know what awaited him when he landed in New York. If he had such a ring, I would expect that he would have thrown it into the Atlantic rather than risk having it discoverd on his person.

c.d.