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  • GBinOz
    Assistant Commissioner
    • Jun 2021
    • 3184

    #511
    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    It contains no home truths whatsoever. Please point out where I have lied about Druitt. Please point out where I have exaggerated. Please point out where I have made untrue claims about Druitt. Please point out where I have ever said that Druitt was likely to have been the ripper.

    Despite your dig George I absolutely know that I post without bias and that I post honestly.
    Hi Herlock,

    Calm down my friend, and I'll briefly parody some questions that you have posed to Richard. Where can it be shown that your suspect was ever east of his law office? Where is there any suggestion that he was violent? Where can it be shown that he hated prostitutes? What evidence is there that he had even the slightest interest in medical procedures.

    If I have mis-understood that Druitt is your favoured suspect for having been the ripper then I offer my apologies. I'm not having a dig at you. I had hoped that we were all here on a collegiate basis rather than confrontational, but I understand that those with a preferred suspect feel the need to defend against others who have their own preferred suspect, and even those who have no suspect. Some assumption and speculation is inevitable, but there remains the fact that there is no actual proof against anyone.

    Cheers, George
    Last edited by GBinOz; Yesterday, 11:46 AM.
    The angels keep their ancient places—turn but a stone and start a wing!
    'Tis ye, 'tis your estrangèd faces, that miss the many-splendored thing.
    Francis Thompson.​

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    • Richard Patterson
      Sergeant
      • Mar 2012
      • 670

      #512
      Originally posted by The Rookie Detective View Post
      The issue is that the title of this thread claims to have proven a negative.

      (I should know because I've made the same mistake and done the same thing myself several times - I'm called "Rookie" for a reason)


      And what's one of the fundermental principals of investigation?...


      You can't prove a negative.


      Richard's claims on Thompson are as provable as saying that the first man to drown on the titanic had forgotten to take his broken watch with him when he jumped overboard, because a broken watch was found in a cabin in 1st class, and then arguing that because it was broken, he chose to leave it behind on purpose.

      Total proof


      Really?


      The entire thing is pointless and nonsensical.

      We know this, because Thompson's enigmatic qualities that supported his candidacy as the Ripper, have been pretty much obliterated in one go.

      Like a soldier in an advanced position on a battlefield, running back to his comrades at the front line and shouting; "hey fellas, I just found this unexploded gren..."

      Just ridiculous.


      Rookie,

      I think the snag in your reasoning comes from treating this as an attempt to “prove a negative.” That’s not what’s going on. The case for Thompson isn’t built on trying to disprove everyone else; it’s built on stacking rare, independently verifiable traits from a police profile and testing whether anyone in London at the time could have matched them. That’s not a negative claim, it’s a positive probability exercise .
      Here’s where the analogy with a broken watch on the Titanic breaks down: the watch is random clutter in a sea of random clutter. Thompson’s profile is not random. He was an ex-medical student trained in dissection, confined for breakdown, living rough among prostitutes, linked to coin trickery anecdotes, and resident in the Rupert Street/Haymarket nexus at the precise time Major Henry Smith’s team trailed a suspect there . When you multiply the rarity of each trait across the London male population, the odds of coincidence drop to 1 in 20 quadrillion or worse . That isn’t “pointless” — it’s how probability works in criminology when direct forensic proof is absent.

      And the “enigmatic qualities obliterated in one go” argument ignores chronology. The murders ceased the moment Thompson entered hospital in late 1888, a timeline match no other suspect offers . Add to this his violent misogynistic verse, which describes mutilations uncannily similar to the Whitechapel crimes, and his known scalpel possession, and you’ve got cumulative evidence far stronger than metaphorical unexploded grenades .

      So yes — it’s not a courtroom “case closed.” But it’s also not nonsense. The mathematics and the biography converge to make Thompson not just “interesting,” but plausibly guilty. To dismiss it as “ridiculous” is to sidestep the very evidence that makes him unique.
      Author of

      "Jack the Ripper, The Works of Francis Thompson"

      http://www.francisjthompson.com/

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      • Herlock Sholmes
        Commissioner
        • May 2017
        • 23125

        #513
        Originally posted by GBinOz View Post

        Hi Herlock,

        Calm down my friend, and I'll briefly parody some questions that you have posed to Richard. Where can it be shown that your suspect was ever east of his law office? Where is there any suggestion that he was violent? Where can it be shown that he hated prostitutes? What evidence is there that he had even the slightest interest in medical procedures.

        There’s a big difference though George. I’ve never claimed that we can place Druitt in the East End. Richard however had made the claim that Thompson was definitely living within 100 yards of the murder sites at the time of the murders. I’ve never suggested that Druitt was violent because we have zero evidence that he was. Richard however tries to claim violence on Thompson’s part in the form of his fictional writing. I’ve never claimed that Druitt hated prostitutes or that he ever expressed an opinion about them. Richard however claims that this gentle poet was so imbued with hatred for them that he went on a murderous rampage despite the fact that he never spoke or wrote in anything but terms of love and kindness about his alleged target. I’ve never claimed that Druitt ever had an interest in medicine. Thompson was three-times a failed medical student.

        If I have mis-understood that Druitt is your favoured suspect for having been the ripper then I offer my apologies. I'm not having a dig at you. I had hoped that we were all here on a collegiate basis rather than confrontational, but I understand that those with a preferred suspect feel the need to defend against others who have their own preferred suspect, and even those who have no suspect. Some assumption and speculation is inevitable, but there remains the fact that there is no actual proof against anyone.

        Cheers, George
        Hi George,

        When you say that I have a preferred suspect, the way that I’ve always explained my viewpoint is that Druitt is the suspect that continues to interest me most. If I had to pick just one of the named suspects I’d probably name Druitt but I’d never put money on it. I’d certainly never claim it as proven or even particularly likely. The most that I say is that I think that he tends to be too easily dismissed and, as there is no evidence against any suspect, I’ve never understood why this point is the standard dismissal point against Druitt; when the same applies to all of them. I think that its probably likeliest that the killer hadn’t been named yet.
        Herlock Sholmes

        ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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        • Herlock Sholmes
          Commissioner
          • May 2017
          • 23125

          #514
          Originally posted by Richard Patterson View Post



          Rookie,

          I think the snag in your reasoning comes from treating this as an attempt to “prove a negative.” That’s not what’s going on. The case for Thompson isn’t built on trying to disprove everyone else; it’s built on stacking rare, independently verifiable traits from a police profile and testing whether anyone in London at the time could have matched them. That’s not a negative claim, it’s a positive probability exercise .
          Here’s where the analogy with a broken watch on the Titanic breaks down: the watch is random clutter in a sea of random clutter. Thompson’s profile is not random. He was an ex-medical student trained in dissection, confined for breakdown, living rough among prostitutes, linked to coin trickery anecdotes, and resident in the Rupert Street/Haymarket nexus at the precise time Major Henry Smith’s team trailed a suspect there . When you multiply the rarity of each trait across the London male population, the odds of coincidence drop to 1 in 20 quadrillion or worse . That isn’t “pointless” — it’s how probability works in criminology when direct forensic proof is absent.

          And the “enigmatic qualities obliterated in one go” argument ignores chronology. The murders ceased the moment Thompson entered hospital in late 1888, a timeline match no other suspect offers . Add to this his violent misogynistic verse, which describes mutilations uncannily similar to the Whitechapel crimes, and his known scalpel possession, and you’ve got cumulative evidence far stronger than metaphorical unexploded grenades .

          So yes — it’s not a courtroom “case closed.” But it’s also not nonsense. The mathematics and the biography converge to make Thompson not just “interesting,” but plausibly guilty. To dismiss it as “ridiculous” is to sidestep the very evidence that makes him unique.
          Try telling the truth for a change Richard.

          “confined for breakdown‘ - invention.

          ”linked to coin trickery anecdotes” - Well whaddya know…another phrase to try and make a lie true. Thompson found 2 coins. That’s it. Finding something isn’t ’trickery.’

          Your theory has been debunked. It’s over.
          Herlock Sholmes

          ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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          • Paddy Goose
            Detective
            • May 2008
            • 380

            #515
            Good morning Richard,

            I fully understand and it is only natural and normal in human nature for you to avoid any mention of Francis Thompson's addiction. To me, on the other hand, his addiciton is the raison d'atre for his confinement. This was so readily apparent to me the first time I heard of Francis Thompson So easy to grasp. So blatantly obvious is almost goes without mentioning. Almost.

            He was not some raving homicidal maniac who need to be "safely caged." He was an addict.

            Again, not questioning your integrity in the least, Richard. It is perfectly normal for you to avoid mention of his addiction.
            Last edited by Paddy Goose; Yesterday, 01:40 PM.

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            • seanr
              Detective
              • Dec 2018
              • 475

              #516
              Key point, Francis Thompson was not ‘confined’ he was treated willingly (perhaps after friendly persuasion) at the expense of a benefactor. His association with the Meynells started in April 1888. The year 1888 was the year his life changed as he found his supporters and an income. He went into the Priory from choice, to treat an addiction.

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              • Lewis C
                Inspector
                • Dec 2022
                • 1302

                #517
                Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
                id like to thank richard for starting this thread. i used to think francis thompson was viable suspect. But from the research of jerry, herlock and others i no longer do. so theres a silver lining in this after all lol.
                Hi Abby,

                I've gone through a similar change in my thinking. Thompson now appears to me to be a significantly longer longshot than before. I still don't 100% rule him out, but the chances of him being the Ripper are quite remote.

                The recent discussion about Thompson has also been helpful to me because I once thought Oswald Puckeridge was a viable suspect, but no longer do.

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                • GBinOz
                  Assistant Commissioner
                  • Jun 2021
                  • 3184

                  #518
                  Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                  Hi George,

                  When you say that I have a preferred suspect, the way that I’ve always explained my viewpoint is that Druitt is the suspect that continues to interest me most. If I had to pick just one of the named suspects I’d probably name Druitt but I’d never put money on it. I’d certainly never claim it as proven or even particularly likely. The most that I say is that I think that he tends to be too easily dismissed and, as there is no evidence against any suspect, I’ve never understood why this point is the standard dismissal point against Druitt; when the same applies to all of them. I think that its probably likeliest that the killer hadn’t been named yet.
                  Hi Herlock,

                  I agree with what you say above. I also find Druitt, and the circumstances surrounding his death, to be of interest.

                  I also like some of Thompson's poetry, "In No Strange Land" in particular. But the concept of a poem about a knight setting forth, not on the usual theme of a quixotic crusade, but on a quest to murder and cut open women falls, IMO, very close on the ground to JtR. Perhaps that is why it wasn't published at the time. There is also the possibility of bitterness over perceived betrayal and abandonment to be considered.

                  I do recall your suggestion that Druitt may have acquired medical knowledge from his father, but acknowledge that was a suggestion rather than an insistence.

                  As you know, I don't have a suspect, and agree the culprit in most likely yet to be named, if ever. However those that do have a single suspect, often Kosminski, Chapman, Bury or Lechmere, are convinced that their perception of their clues and hypotheses are convincing, while others are not convinced. I suggest to label this as "lying" is a bridge too far.

                  Cheers, George
                  The angels keep their ancient places—turn but a stone and start a wing!
                  'Tis ye, 'tis your estrangèd faces, that miss the many-splendored thing.
                  Francis Thompson.​

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                  • Fiver
                    Assistant Commissioner
                    • Oct 2019
                    • 3453

                    #519
                    Originally posted by Richard Patterson View Post
                    Thompson’s profile is not random. He was an ex-medical student trained in dissection, confined for breakdown, living rough among prostitutes, linked to coin trickery anecdotes, and resident in the Rupert Street/Haymarket nexus at the precise time Major Henry Smith’s team trailed a suspect there .
                    Here's what Smith actually said.

                    "He had been a medical student ; he had been in a lunatic asylum ; he spent all his time with women of loose character, whom he bilked by giving them polished farthings instead of sovereigns, two of these farthings having been found in the pocket of the murdered woman. Sir Charles failed to find him. I thought he was likely to be in Rupert Street, Haymarket. I sent up two men, and there he was ; but, polished farthings and all, he proved an alibi without the shadow of doubt."

                    * "He was an ex-medical student" - this matches Smith's "He had been a medical student".

                    * "confined for breakdown" deliberately falsifies Smith's "he had been in a lunatic asylum".

                    * "living rough among prostitutes" deliberately falsifies Smith's "he spent all his time with women of loose character".

                    * "linked to coin trickery anecdotes" deliberately falsifies Smith's "whom he bilked by giving them polished farthings instead of sovereigns"

                    * "resident in the Rupert Street/Haymarket nexus at the precise time Major Henry Smith’s team trailed a suspect there" matches Smith's "he was likely to be in Rupert Street, Haymarket", but you have yet to provide a shred of evidence that Thompson was living on Rupert Street at the time.

                    And you continue to ignore that "he proved an alibi without the shadow of doubt".
                    "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                    "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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                    • Herlock Sholmes
                      Commissioner
                      • May 2017
                      • 23125

                      #520
                      Originally posted by GBinOz View Post

                      Hi Herlock,

                      I agree with what you say above. I also find Druitt, and the circumstances surrounding his death, to be of interest.

                      I also like some of Thompson's poetry, "In No Strange Land" in particular. But the concept of a poem about a knight setting forth, not on the usual theme of a quixotic crusade, but on a quest to murder and cut open women falls, IMO, very close on the ground to JtR. Perhaps that is why it wasn't published at the time. There is also the possibility of bitterness over perceived betrayal and abandonment to be considered.

                      I do recall your suggestion that Druitt may have acquired medical knowledge from his father, but acknowledge that was a suggestion rather than an insistence.

                      As you know, I don't have a suspect, and agree the culprit in most likely yet to be named, if ever. However those that do have a single suspect, often Kosminski, Chapman, Bury or Lechmere, are convinced that their perception of their clues and hypotheses are convincing, while others are not convinced. I suggest to label this as "lying" is a bridge too far.

                      Cheers, George
                      Hi George,

                      All that I’m doing though George is pointing out when Richard is making claims which aren’t true. I’m not talking about just having a difference of opinion or merely voicing an alternative interpretation, I’m talking about things which are provably untrue. The following are from the thread opener and are exact quotes from Richard and are the main points of his case against Thompson. They are very simply, provably false statements. It’s indefensible that Richard should have stopped to using them…but he did.

                      He had a documented history of psychotic violence toward women.

                      So here we have an unequivocal statement that there is documented evidence of Thompson having a history of violence towards women. Fishy (for example) reads this and thinks “well, if Richard has said this after reading the evidence then there must be some truth in it.” The reality is that this is a complete invention. Thompson was never violent to anyone and nowhere in the evidence is there a single example of even a hint or suggestion of violence. Richard is pretending that fictional writing is either proof of violent actions or proof of the desire/intent, neither of which are true. So Richard’s statement is a provable falsehood.

                      He lived within 100 metres of the 1888 murder sites.

                      This one is another stunner. When Thompson mentioned seeing the Providence Row Refuge he merely mentioned seeing the men queueing, he never mentioned going inside or staying there. His biographer Walsh makes a bit of an assumption in his biography that Thompson stayed at places like this and the Salvation Army refuges but he’s only really assuming based on Thompson’s mention of it. We don’t even know when Thompson saw the Refuge because he doesn’t tell us and neither does Meynell or Walsh. What Richard does is that he assumes that it was 1888 and then assumes that Thompson would have been better dressed due to his association with Walsh and because of the peculiarities of their admittance criteria it means that Thompson was there around November. It’s fanciful nonsense. It’s impossible for us to know when Thompson saw the Refuge. He went to London in 1885 and the article came out in 1891. So any point between. So Richard’s statement is a provable falsehood.

                      He was an active arsonist and fire-starter — linked to sadistic psychopathy.

                      As a child he accidentally spilt smouldering charcoal in a church which was easily stamped out by a housekeeper with a shovel. Years later, as a drug addicted adult, he accidentally knocked over an oil lamp in his room. He later put his pipe in his coat pocket before it had fully gone out. On these three instances, which took place over a period of years, no one would dream of even hinting at arson and yet Richard states it as an absolute fact. Richard’s statement is a provable falsehood.

                      His movements align perfectly with the timeline of the murders and when they ceased (he was removed from the area right after the final killing).

                      How Richard has the unmitigated nerve amazes me. Walsh estimates that Thompson was admitted to a hospital for around 6 weeks sometime around mid-October. Richard has no other source for doubting this. When he was released he lived in London; so this doesn’t provide a reason for the cessation at all. Very probably in Paddington. If Walsh is correct of course this would place Thompson very firmly in hospital for Kelly’s murder (we can’t claim a total alibi though because the times are Walsh’s estimates - there are no exact dates given) After his release from the hospital he was staying in London until he relapsed and went into the Priory at Storrington (Richard, for some reason, isn’t keen on people knowing that Thompson didn’t go to Storrington until February of 1889). Richard’s statement is a provable falsehood.


                      He was a known night-wanderer, dressing in disguises, carrying scalpels,

                      ”Night wanderer?” Richard loves a bit of drama. “Dressed in disguises?” I’ve asked Richard for evidence of this but, naturally, he hasn’t replied. There’s no mention of disguises as far as I’m aware in the biographies..so it looks like Richard is just making this up. “Carrying scalpels,” is an exaggeration of course. As Fiver has recently posted, Thompson wrote to Meynell requesting a razor as he couldn’t grow a satisfactory beard in his own opinion. He then stated that there had been times when he’d shaved with a dissecting scalpel. Obviously this doesn’t prove that he had one at the time of the murders and we also know that no one ever suggested a dissecting scalpel as the killers weapon.

                      ​​​​​​….


                      Apologies for the lengthy reply George but I think it’s important to differentiate and highlight these claims. You and I disagree on a few issues (probably far less than we both think) but I know that you don’t invent things to make a point and i’d hope that you wouldn’t suspect me of doing the same. It’s sad to say that the same can’t be said of Richard. This kind of who-cares-about-the-truth approach is epitomised by his claim that Thompson matches the five traits with Smith’s suspect when everyone can see from the evidence that he matches only one of five (being generous we might allow him 1½ out of 5.)
                      Herlock Sholmes

                      ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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                      • Herlock Sholmes
                        Commissioner
                        • May 2017
                        • 23125

                        #521
                        Originally posted by Fiver View Post

                        Here's what Smith actually said.

                        "He had been a medical student ; he had been in a lunatic asylum ; he spent all his time with women of loose character, whom he bilked by giving them polished farthings instead of sovereigns, two of these farthings having been found in the pocket of the murdered woman. Sir Charles failed to find him. I thought he was likely to be in Rupert Street, Haymarket. I sent up two men, and there he was ; but, polished farthings and all, he proved an alibi without the shadow of doubt."

                        * "He was an ex-medical student" - this matches Smith's "He had been a medical student".

                        * "confined for breakdown" deliberately falsifies Smith's "he had been in a lunatic asylum".

                        * "living rough among prostitutes" deliberately falsifies Smith's "he spent all his time with women of loose character".

                        * "linked to coin trickery anecdotes" deliberately falsifies Smith's "whom he bilked by giving them polished farthings instead of sovereigns"

                        * "resident in the Rupert Street/Haymarket nexus at the precise time Major Henry Smith’s team trailed a suspect there" matches Smith's "he was likely to be in Rupert Street, Haymarket", but you have yet to provide a shred of evidence that Thompson was living on Rupert Street at the time.

                        And you continue to ignore that "he proved an alibi without the shadow of doubt".
                        Just to clarify Fiver - there just isn’t any mention of him being confined for a breakdown either. Or even of him having a breakdown - I doubt that you’ll be surprised to learn that Richard has made this up.
                        Herlock Sholmes

                        ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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                        • Richard Patterson
                          Sergeant
                          • Mar 2012
                          • 670

                          #522
                          Originally posted by GBinOz View Post

                          Hi Herlock,

                          I agree with what you say above. I also find Druitt, and the circumstances surrounding his death, to be of interest.

                          I also like some of Thompson's poetry, "In No Strange Land" in particular. But the concept of a poem about a knight setting forth, not on the usual theme of a quixotic crusade, but on a quest to murder and cut open women falls, IMO, very close on the ground to JtR. Perhaps that is why it wasn't published at the time. There is also the possibility of bitterness over perceived betrayal and abandonment to be considered.

                          I do recall your suggestion that Druitt may have acquired medical knowledge from his father, but acknowledge that was a suggestion rather than an insistence.

                          As you know, I don't have a suspect, and agree the culprit in most likely yet to be named, if ever. However those that do have a single suspect, often Kosminski, Chapman, Bury or Lechmere, are convinced that their perception of their clues and hypotheses are convincing, while others are not convinced. I suggest to label this as "lying" is a bridge too far.

                          Cheers, George

                          Hi George,

                          I share your appreciation for In No Strange Land — Thompson’s mystical side is undeniable. But what convinces me that he can’t be set aside as “merely a tortured genius” are the other strands that stand apart from his published verse. A few examples:

                          1. Surgical grounding.

                          Thompson wasn’t dabbling in anatomy; he studied under Dreschfeld at Owens College, dissecting cadavers. When homeless, he carried surgical knives with him. The Ripper murders required exactly that kind of skill — not just rough butchery, but anatomical familiarity.

                          2. Right place, right time.

                          His Panton Street lodging sat at the very heart of Smith’s Rupert Street/Haymarket nexus. And before that, during the Whitechapel period, Thompson was destitute, hallucinating, and surviving among prostitutes — the same community the Ripper preyed on.

                          3. Timeline alignment.

                          The murders flare in 1888, during his collapse. As the killings cease, Thompson is admitted to the Priory. His confinement tracks with the end of the murder sequence.

                          4. Violent drafts.

                          We know his later mystical poems, but in the manuscripts from his crisis years he writes of stabbing women, ripping wombs, and finding foetuses. That isn’t abstract metaphor — it mirrors the Whitechapel injuries with unnerving precision.

                          5. Probability collapse.

                          Smith’s suspect was described with five unusual traits: ex-medical student, asylum confinement, prostitute ties, coin trick, and Haymarket nexus. Thompson matches all five. The chance of another man in London fitting them by coincidence is astronomically low.

                          When you put these threads together — medical training, geography, timing, violent obsession, and statistical uniqueness — Thompson shifts from “interesting” to unavoidable. He doesn’t just fit a poet’s archetype; he sits directly under the shadow cast by the case records.

                          Cheers,

                          Richard
                          Author of

                          "Jack the Ripper, The Works of Francis Thompson"

                          http://www.francisjthompson.com/

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                          • Richard Patterson
                            Sergeant
                            • Mar 2012
                            • 670

                            #523
                            Originally posted by Fiver View Post

                            Here's what Smith actually said.

                            "He had been a medical student ; he had been in a lunatic asylum ; he spent all his time with women of loose character, whom he bilked by giving them polished farthings instead of sovereigns, two of these farthings having been found in the pocket of the murdered woman. Sir Charles failed to find him. I thought he was likely to be in Rupert Street, Haymarket. I sent up two men, and there he was ; but, polished farthings and all, he proved an alibi without the shadow of doubt."

                            * "He was an ex-medical student" - this matches Smith's "He had been a medical student".

                            * "confined for breakdown" deliberately falsifies Smith's "he had been in a lunatic asylum".

                            * "living rough among prostitutes" deliberately falsifies Smith's "he spent all his time with women of loose character".

                            * "linked to coin trickery anecdotes" deliberately falsifies Smith's "whom he bilked by giving them polished farthings instead of sovereigns"

                            * "resident in the Rupert Street/Haymarket nexus at the precise time Major Henry Smith’s team trailed a suspect there" matches Smith's "he was likely to be in Rupert Street, Haymarket", but you have yet to provide a shred of evidence that Thompson was living on Rupert Street at the time.

                            And you continue to ignore that "he proved an alibi without the shadow of doubt".

                            Fiver, you’ve built your objection on two moves that won’t hold: (i) treating neutral paraphrase as “falsification,” and (ii) using a memoir-line “alibi” as a conversation stopper while demanding hyper-literalism everywhere else. Let’s clean this up.

                            1) Paraphrase ≠ falsification (and why historians normalize language)

                            You call these “deliberate falsifications”:
                            • “confined for breakdown” vs. Smith’s “in a lunatic asylum.”
                              Late-Victorian usage blurred asylum/hospital/priory for psychiatric confinement; police and memoirists used the terms loosely. “Confined for breakdown” is a neutral normalization of the same underlying fact pattern: psychiatric institutionalization. It preserves the evidential function of Smith’s trait (a man known to have been committed). That’s good practice, not deceit.
                            • “living rough among prostitutes” vs. “spent all his time with women of loose character.”
                              “Loose character” is period euphemism for sex-trade milieu. Rendering it as “prostitute connections / living among prostitutes” is plain-English equivalence, not a switch. Again: we keep the probative meaning while avoiding Victorian rhetoric.
                            • “linked to coin trickery anecdotes” vs. “bilked…with polished farthings.”
                              The polished-farthings line is a press-inflected anecdote that Smith repeats. Flagging it as “linked to coin trickery anecdotes” is the cautious, scholarly way to carry it forward. And importantly: the model works even if you drop this trait entirely. See §4.
                            • “resident in the Rupert Street/Haymarket nexus” vs. “likely to be in Rupert Street… there he was.”
                              Smith reports presence located there. Thompson’s documented lodging in Panton Street puts him in the immediate orbit (a few minutes’ walk). “Nexus” is a fair term for geographic presence/proximity; no one claimed a signed lease on Rupert Street.
                            When we test profiles, we normalize and group equivalent forms (institutionalization, prostitute milieu, coin-bilking, Haymarket orbit). That’s how you avoid lexical hair-splitting from gutting signal.

                            2) The “alibi without the shadow of doubt” line isn’t the trump card you think

                            If you elevate that single memoir sentence to dispositive status, you must answer four basic questions that Smith never does:
                            • Which date/time does the alibi cover? One murder? Several? All?
                            • What’s the documentary basis (who, where, when), beyond a boastful aside?
                            • Why keep the suspect’s full five-point profile if he was truly cleared beyond doubt?
                            • Why repeat press lore (polished farthings) alongside an ironclad exoneration if you’re being strictly evidential?
                            You cannot demand laser-literalism for every descriptor, then treat an unspecified, undated, uncorroborated memoir flourish as sacrosanct. Method 101: either we weigh Smith holistically (profile + limits + bombast), or we don’t cherry-pick the one sentence that suits us. At minimum, that “alibi” downgrades one episode; it does not negate the broader convergence.

                            3) Profiles are filters, not gospels — and Thompson clears the filter uniquely

                            Smith didn’t claim universal truths about “the Ripper.” He recorded a suspect with five unusual identifiers:
                            1. ex-medical student
                            2. psychiatric confinement
                            3. immersed in the sex-trade milieu
                            4. polished-farthings bilking
                            5. found in the Rupert/Haymarket orbit
                            The use of a profile is to filter a population, not to pre-prove the killer’s CV. The question is: who in the record matches all five? With Thompson, the answer is: he does, and that’s before we add independent strands (documented dissection training, possession of scalpels, violent unpublished verse, collapse/commitment tracking the cessation of murders). That’s cumulative reasoning — the standard you’d expect in any serious historical analysis.

                            If you think Puckridge (or anyone else) matches the full five and brings those independent strands, lay out the documentation (addresses, dates, medical record, contemporaneous writings, timeline). Hand-waving toward a name isn’t parity.

                            4) Sensitivity: even granting your strictest takes, the coincidence still collapses

                            Let’s accept your narrowest readings for the sake of argument:
                            • Treat “asylum” only as a formal asylum (and still count Thompson’s psychiatric confinement with a clear note).
                            • Treat the coin story as too weak to include (drop it entirely).
                            • Treat “Rupert Street” as geographic orbit/proximity (as Smith himself used it).
                            Even then, you have ex-medical + documented psychiatric confinement + sex-trade milieu + Haymarket orbit — a four-trait cluster that is still vanishingly rare in the London male population of the time. The probability spine isn’t there to impress; it’s there to stop the conversation devolving into vibes. Remove the weakest trait and rerun: the expected number of men who fit even the four-trait filter is ≪ 1. Add back Thompson’s extra-profile anchors (cadaver dissection under Dreschfeld; carrying scalpels while vagrant; manuscripts rehearsing uterine mutilation; hospitalization coincident with the murders’ end) and the posterior tightens further. That’s how cumulative evidence works.

                            5) Ethical scholarship: pick one standard and apply it consistently

                            Right now, your standard changes case-by-case:
                            • Literalist on asylum/loose-women/coin/“Rupert Street,” but credulous on an undefined “alibi.”
                            • Skeptical of press-inflected farthings, but uncritical when the same source is used to sweep a suspect off the board.
                            • Demanding of residence paperwork for “Rupert Street,” but satisfied with the vaguest possible alibi claim.
                            That isn’t rigorous; it’s adversarial selection. The ethical route is stability: either you discount memoir color across the board, or you weigh it — both the five identifiers and the alibi line — with the same caution. Once you do, the identifiers retain probative value (they narrow the field), while the alibi becomes what it is: a non-specific caveat, not a silver bullet.

                            6) The Puckridge detour (briefly)

                            You imply Puckridge fits better. Then demonstrate it. Show:
                            • A documented Haymarket-orbit presence aligned to Smith’s pursuit.
                            • Independent evidence of anatomical training, instruments, or violent manuscripts paralleling the injuries.
                            • A timeline that rises and falls with the murders rather than drifting past them.
                            Without those, invoking Puckridge is a way to avoid the Thompson convergence, not answer it.

                            7) Bottom line, with standards intact
                            • Calling plain-English normalizations “falsifications” is a category error.
                            • Using an undefined memoir “alibi” as dispositive while nitpicking every other line is methodologically incoherent.
                            • Profiles filter; Thompson uniquely passes the filter.
                            • Even after you remove the weakest trait(s), the coincidence still collapses, and Thompson’s extra-profile evidence pushes the case from “interesting” to plausibly guilty.
                            We can disagree on weight. We cannot pretend that terminological hairsplitting plus a memoir aside equals a refutation. If you want to stay in the evidential lane, hold one standard, apply it to every line, and then tell us who — if not Thompson — clears the same filter and brings the same independent anchors. Until then, your objection isn’t toppling anything; it’s just rearranging the furniture.
                            Author of

                            "Jack the Ripper, The Works of Francis Thompson"

                            http://www.francisjthompson.com/

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                            • Richard Patterson
                              Sergeant
                              • Mar 2012
                              • 670

                              #524
                              Originally posted by Paddy Goose View Post
                              Good morning Richard,

                              I fully understand and it is only natural and normal in human nature for you to avoid any mention of Francis Thompson's addiction. To me, on the other hand, his addiciton is the raison d'atre for his confinement. This was so readily apparent to me the first time I heard of Francis Thompson So easy to grasp. So blatantly obvious is almost goes without mentioning. Almost.

                              He was not some raving homicidal maniac who need to be "safely caged." He was an addict.

                              Again, not questioning your integrity in the least, Richard. It is perfectly normal for you to avoid mention of his addiction.
                              Hi Paddy,

                              I don’t avoid Thompson’s addiction at all — it’s precisely because I’ve studied it in depth that I see it as far more than a background detail. The pivotal point is this: by July 1888, under Meynell’s pressure, Thompson stopped using laudanum after years of heavy dependence. From then until 1890 he was essentially drug-free. That matters because withdrawal from long-term opium use isn’t peaceful detox — it’s a medical storm.

                              As I documented in my book, abrupt cessation produces hyperaesthesia: senses overstimulated, skin hypersensitive, hearing and vision disturbed. It can also trigger nightmares, hallucinations, and heightened sexual drive. The physical symptoms last weeks; the mental disorientation can persist indefinitely.

                              So at the exact moment the Whitechapel murders begin, Thompson isn’t drifting in a laudanum haze. He is in a raw, destabilised, overstimulated state — one that medical literature of the time linked to violence and breakdown. And remember: he was living rough in Spitalfields, sleeping in refuges, carrying his surgical knives, obsessing over the prostitute who rejected him.

                              Dr. Thomas Bond, the police surgeon who profiled the Ripper at the time, said the killer would likely be a man subject to “periodical attacks of homicidal and erotic mania.” That is a textbook description of laudanum withdrawal’s effects in a vulnerable, unstable man.

                              So yes, he was an addict. But the addiction doesn’t soften the suspicion — the withdrawal sharpens it. It took Thompson out of the dreamlike stupor and thrust him into a heightened, volatile, compulsive state. In that condition, surrounded by the very victims who symbolised his loss, he had motive, means, and opportunity.

                              Cheers,

                              Richard
                              Author of

                              "Jack the Ripper, The Works of Francis Thompson"

                              http://www.francisjthompson.com/

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                              • Herlock Sholmes
                                Commissioner
                                • May 2017
                                • 23125

                                #525
                                Originally posted by Richard Patterson View Post


                                Hi George,

                                I share your appreciation for In No Strange Land — Thompson’s mystical side is undeniable. But what convinces me that he can’t be set aside as “merely a tortured genius” are the other strands that stand apart from his published verse. A few examples:

                                1. Surgical grounding.

                                Thompson wasn’t dabbling in anatomy; he studied under Dreschfeld at Owens College, dissecting cadavers. When homeless, he carried surgical knives with him. The Ripper murders required exactly that kind of skill — not just rough butchery, but anatomical familiarity.

                                2. Right place, right time.

                                His Panton Street lodging sat at the very heart of Smith’s Rupert Street/Haymarket nexus. And before that, during the Whitechapel period, Thompson was destitute, hallucinating, and surviving among prostitutes — the same community the Ripper preyed on.

                                3. Timeline alignment.

                                The murders flare in 1888, during his collapse. As the killings cease, Thompson is admitted to the Priory. His confinement tracks with the end of the murder sequence.

                                4. Violent drafts.

                                We know his later mystical poems, but in the manuscripts from his crisis years he writes of stabbing women, ripping wombs, and finding foetuses. That isn’t abstract metaphor — it mirrors the Whitechapel injuries with unnerving precision.

                                5. Probability collapse.

                                Smith’s suspect was described with five unusual traits: ex-medical student, asylum confinement, prostitute ties, coin trick, and Haymarket nexus. Thompson matches all five. The chance of another man in London fitting them by coincidence is astronomically low.

                                When you put these threads together — medical training, geography, timing, violent obsession, and statistical uniqueness — Thompson shifts from “interesting” to unavoidable. He doesn’t just fit a poet’s archetype; he sits directly under the shadow cast by the case records.

                                Cheers,

                                Richard
                                Repetition but no confronting of the points made.
                                Herlock Sholmes

                                ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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