Mary Jane Wilson

[MayBea]

Where to start? Where to start? How about at the beginning?

It all began with the marriage of Mary Jane Wilson's parents, John Kelly and Mary Dulihead, in 1841. (Marriage Certificate image below.)

They obviously arrived in Liverpool prior to the Potato Famine.

[MayBea]

First child:

Name: William Kelly

Birth Date: 15 Aug 1844

Baptism Date: 18 Sep 1844

Parish: St Anthony's, Lancashire

Father's Name: John

Mother's Name: Mary Donehigan

[MayBea]

Then came the next three children. I found no baptism records for the girls.

Name: Henry Kelly

Birth Date: 27 Mar 1848
Baptism Date: 25 May 1848
Parish: St Mary's, Lancashire
Father's Name: John Kelly
Mother's Name: Mary Kelly


Births Sep 1851 (FreeBMD)

Kelly Ann Amelia Liverpool


Births Sep 1853
or
Births Dec 1854

Kelly Mary Jane Liverpool

[MayBea]

Here they are in 1851, '61, and '71:

1851 Census

1 Coburg Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool
John Kelly 32, Joiner b Ireland
Mary 31 b Ireland
William 6 b Liverpool
Henry 3 b Liverpool


1861 Census

5 Bostock St., Liverpool
Mary Jane Kelly age 7, born in Liverpool
Father John 41
Mother Mary 42, born in Ireland
Brother Henry 13
Brother William 18
Sister Ann Amelia 9
Mary Jane Kelly age 7, born in Liverpool


1871 Census

8 Victoria St. (no longer existing), Liverpool
John Kelly 50, joiner
Mary Kelly 50
Mary Jane Kelly 18, General Servant

[MayBea]

Mary Jane Kelly's marriage in 1872


St Nicholas, 9 Sep 1872

After banns, according to the rites of the established church.
Robert Wilson, under age, bachelor, baker, Latimer St, father James Wilson, shoemaker
and
Mary Jane Kelly, under age, spinster, Great Homer St, father John Kelly, joiner.

The witnesses were W. Cavanagh & Elizabeth Foxcroft. Mary & Elizabeth signed "by mark".

[Roy Corduroy]

1871 Census
8 Victoria St. (no longer existing), Liverpool
John Kelly 50, joiner
Mary Kelly 50
Mary Jane Kelly 18, General Servant

Since they were at Bostock Street in 1861, which intersects Great Homer where she was at marriage in 1872, then possibly the "Victoria" address is one of three: Victoria Terrace (2) either 188A Netherfield Road North, N or 451 Torr St, St Domingo Rd, N1 or Victoria Place, Albion St. Evertron N1. All three are nearby. The groom's address, Latimer Street is the next north/south street west of Scotland Road.

Using online Lewis's Handy Guide to Liverpool 1884 and the site Liverpool Streets A to Z.

[moonbegger]

fascinating stuff Maybea , so that would put Mary as 35 as opposed to 28 .. and if (as was proclaimed ) she had a youthful look about her , why then wouldn't she shave a few years off her age . You have my attention

moonbegger

[moonbegger]

I don't quite get the significance or involvement with " Royal conspiracy " . did you post in the wrong thread ?

moonbegger

[MayBea]

...possibly the "Victoria" address is one of three: Victoria Terrace (2) either 188A Netherfield Road North, N or 451 Torr St, St Domingo Rd, N1 or Victoria Place, Albion St. Evertron N1. All three are nearby.

I believe the Victoria Street address is the one that was changed to Beatrice Street after 1871.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...-06/0992165685

It was off Great Homer Street so it was in the same neighbourhood.

www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=409837.0

[MayBea]

I don't quite get the significance or involvement with " Royal conspiracy " . did you post in the wrong thread ?...

I wasn't too sure where to post this but I thought there were enough elements similar to the Royal Conspiracy theory to put it here.

The Royal connection comes through her son's marriage to Royal servants in 1919. At the very least, it could be the source of some of the rumours.

[moonbegger]

I am unfamiliar with the conversation Maybea .. would you be so kind as to point me to the origins of the story , or even the story itself .. cheers .

moonbegger .

[MayBea]

I believe the Victoria Street address is the one that was changed to Beatrice Street after 1871.

Here is Beatrice Street right below Robsart on the map supplied by Roy Corduroy. The underlined streets are the other known addresses. Victoria/Beatrice (1861 address) and Bostock (1871 address) are not underlined.

[MayBea]

I am unfamiliar with the conversation Maybea .. would you be so kind as to point me to the origins of the story , or even the story itself ...

I originally put the story in Other Mysteries and then, since there were no objections and/or no alternative solutions (until recently), I decided to move it to The Royal Conspiracy.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=7863

I'm glad it got your attention, moonbegger... All the best...

[miss marple]

It would be helpful if you could give a brief precis of this story of Jack and what is the royal connection?

As Mary and John Kelly are the commonest Irish Names, why do you think Wilson is Mary Kelly? Is there evidence she lived in the East End in the 1880s or Wales?

When did Mary Jane Wilson die, has a death been found? Where was she living? What was her last recorded address in a census record.

There is no evidence that MK had a child, from anyone one who knew her. I am sure that Barnett might have mentioned it, or McCarthy.

There is no connection with Liverpool, none of her friends mentioned Liverpool as a place she knew.
This MK is quite a few years older and seems to have lead a very different life.

It is interesting, but some things need to be clarified.

Miss Marple

[MayBea]

After her marriage in 1872, things start to get interesting. Her brother Henry married the sister of a servant of Liverpool cotton merchant, Augustus Agelasto.

Marriage: 8 Sep 1873 All Saints, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Henry Kelly - 23, Plumber & Painter, Bachelor, Horatio Street
Emmeline Gould - 20, Spinster, Horatio Street
Groom's Father: John Kelly, Joiner
Bride's Father: Robert Gould, Tailor
Witness: Henry Gould, (X); Margarett Gould
Married by Banns by: James Moore
Notes: [Bride signed Emeline Gould]
Register: Marriages 1868 - 1876, Page 155, Entry 309
Source: LDS Film 1655766

1861 England census:

175 Grove Street, Liverpool,
household headed by Augustus Agelasto, 45, cotton broker, b. Chios;
wife Lucy Coronio, 30, b. Constantinople; sons Stephen, 8, b. Syros; John, 6; George, 4; daughters Despina, 5; Henrietta, 7; Hellen, 2 Mo, all b. Liverpool;
& 3 servants [Angelica Gould].

http://www.agelastos.com/genealogy/g...=I47&tree=main