The Curious Case of History vs. James Maybrick

[Iconoclast]

Ike seems to be using that as a diversion tactic, and not a very good one.

You have to be joking! Even a blind beggar [like my murder link there?] could see how much it's pricked you. And how much you're bleeding as a consequence!

[andy1867]

I've literally never once claimed that my proximity to Battlecrease mattered one iota, though, lol.

Ike seems to be using that as a diversion tactic, and not a very good one.

My mention of my proximity was mentioned in relation to the fact that I've always had an interest in this subject, specifically Maybrick, because I've grown up with the story about his murder and then was around to see all of the nonsense about the diary. That's literally all I meant, but when people have an agenda, they tend to go about doing things in a very odd way.

No worries Mike...I'm not mithered whether you live IN Battlecrease or near it..
Nor am I mithered whether Ike thinks that new posters should be regarded as someone who has walked into their comfy living room sat on the sofa an' f *rted
Forums are like that..I accept it, once you have accepted it...and come to realise that someone you never met, nor are likely to meet thinks you're a woolly haired scouser, or a "Norvern Mankey" or whatever..doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things...you simply settle down and fight your corner..or look at it as the laughable tat it actually is...

[Mike J. G.]

No.

Not because I couldn't but rather because I don't have many years left to me and it would take a few of them to trawl through the volumes on this Casebook to answer a question you have posed, not I.

And also because none of it is in any debate - which is what I meant: By pointing us to a book that had some of the details of the case, we would just point you to all the others that have some or all of the points.

You haven't uncovered some great mystery by finding a book which we've all heard of because your gold was mined by others many times over so it ain't that special.

As I mentioned previously, I've been reading these threads for far longer than you'd believe. I've never seen any mention of these books popping up anywhere.

This is why I've asked you to point them out, if you're certain that they're there, then you surely must have an idea of who posted them, or a general time when it was brought up.

I've never once claimed to have uncovered anything special. As with everything else in this case, there is nothing special about it. None of the obviously glaring errors in the diary are special, they're merely obvious to anyone willing to exercise logic and simple common sense.

When you have people trying to make up stories about how another random pub or cafe in Liverpool was likely known as the "Poste House" then it's plain to see that simple logic and common sense has gone out of the window to chase a flying pig.

[Mike J. G.]

hardly matters whether you live 10 yds from Battlecrease...or you are tappin' out yer tat from the 10 Bells or Timbuctoo

I've literally never once claimed that my proximity to Battlecrease mattered one iota, though, lol.

Ike seems to be using that as a diversion tactic, and not a very good one.

My mention of my proximity was mentioned in relation to the fact that I've always had an interest in this subject, specifically Maybrick, because I've grown up with the story about his murder and then was around to see all of the nonsense about the diary. That's literally all I meant, but when people have an agenda, they tend to go about doing things in a very odd way.

[Iconoclast]

Could you please point me towards the post in question which discusses the fact that all of the details for James and Florence's argument, plus the National winners and fastest times, is found within a book published in 1969 by noted Ripper researcher, Richard Whittington-Egan?

Cheers.

No.

Not because I couldn't but rather because I don't have many years left to me and it would take a few of them to trawl through the volumes on this Casebook to answer a question you have posed, not I.

And also because none of it is in any debate - which is what I meant: By pointing us to a book that had some of the details of the case, we would just point you to all the others that have some or all of the points.

You haven't uncovered some great mystery by finding a book which we've all heard of because your gold was mined by others many times over so it ain't that special.

[Mike J. G.]

Sure folk will want to sell books and make money Mike, I have no problem with that...I look for the reviews on here before I buy 'em now....didn't use to..
but some of the "No suspect" ones are great...they give you the facts laid out and don't shoot off into the realms of "What if"
I bought some of the more ridiculous ones to start with...but you honestly find most of the stuff you need on here.
As you slowly glean the facts, and make the odd post, some will ridicule you, some can be very supportive (As long as you agree with their particular "Suspect")
others will say "Find out for yourself"..Off you trot...
It leaves no bruises, its the internet, you accept it like that and it hardly matters whether you live 10 yds from Battlecrease...or you are tappin' out yer tat from the 10 Bells or Timbuctoo

I've got no issues with people wanting to author books on any subject, but the issue arises when those people have a preferred route for their subject to take, as they then become obsessed with making those pieces fit despite having square pegs and round holes.

Nothing against Ripper authors, but I can't really put much stock into those with preferred suspect unless they're willing to change their mind on certain things and accept facts, as opposed to ignoring logic in favour of sticking with their favourite suspects simply because they've spent time and money writing about them. It's insincere and fraudulent.

[Mike J. G.]

Honestly, New Boy, it's all been said before. But thanks for the insight and the added value.

Could you please point me towards the post in question which discusses the fact that all of the details for James and Florence's argument, plus the National winners and fastest times, is found within a book published in 1969 by noted Ripper researcher, Richard Whittington-Egan?

Cheers.

[Iconoclast]

Sure folk will want to sell books and make money Mike, I have no problem with that...I look for the reviews on here before I buy 'em now....didn't use to..
but some of the "No suspect" ones are great...they give you the facts laid out and don't shoot off into the realms of "What if"
I bought some of the more ridiculous ones to start with...but you honestly find most of the stuff you need on here.
As you slowly glean the facts, and make the odd post, some will ridicule you, some can be very supportive (As long as you agree with their particular "Suspect")
others will say "Find out for yourself"..Off you trot...
It leaves no bruises, its the internet, you accept it like that and it hardly matters whether you live 10 yds from Battlecrease...or you are tappin' out yer tat from the 10 Bells or Timbuctoo

Andy,

Best post I've read for ages on here (and I include my brilliant ones).

Ike

[andy1867]

As with any subject, people have a vested interest. All manner of paranormal, mystery, legend, conspiracy, etc, will be debated until the cows come home, because people are interested in the mystery and the unknown. Not only that, but people make money doing this sort of thing, and thus a closed book is a possible end to a pay-day.

There'll never be a conclusive end to this debate, because people don't want a definitive end. It's human nature.

People believe what they choose to believe, regardless of fact.

Sure folk will want to sell books and make money Mike, I have no problem with that...I look for the reviews on here before I buy 'em now....didn't use to..
but some of the "No suspect" ones are great...they give you the facts laid out and don't shoot off into the realms of "What if"
I bought some of the more ridiculous ones to start with...but you honestly find most of the stuff you need on here.
As you slowly glean the facts, and make the odd post, some will ridicule you, some can be very supportive (As long as you agree with their particular "Suspect")
others will say "Find out for yourself"..Off you trot...
It leaves no bruises, its the internet, you accept it like that and it hardly matters whether you live 10 yds from Battlecrease...or you are tappin' out yer tat from the 10 Bells or Timbuctoo

[Iconoclast]

As with any subject, people have a vested interest. All manner of paranormal, mystery, legend, conspiracy, etc, will be debated until the cows come home, because people are interested in the mystery and the unknown. Not only that, but people make money doing this sort of thing, and thus a closed book is a possible end to a pay-day.

There'll never be a conclusive end to this debate, because people don't want a definitive end. It's human nature.

People believe what they choose to believe, regardless of fact.

Honestly, New Boy, it's all been said before. But thanks for the insight and the added value.

[Mike J. G.]

I have been accessing the Casebook for probably around ten years - I know others have been doing so for twenty or more. For 127 years we have been debating the Whitechapel murders, and yet we seem no nearer solving the case than ever we were and - as each year passes - we presumably get further and further away from the possibility of a solution. Will the Casebook still be running in the year 2100, 2200, 2300, etc., and will the gnerations which follow us debate endlessly without a candidate ever being confirmed as Saucy Jack?

That's a slightly depressing thought, eased only for me personally by the deep conviction that the crimes were solved the moment the Maybrick journal saw the light of a very public day. But it makes you wonder why we do it - pursue a now ancient case which has so little hope of ever being formally solved.

Which leads me to a straw poll - just an anecdotal straw poll (not least because I have no idea how to create those clever polls you see from time to time on some threads).

Why do you read/post to the Casebook, and/or why are you so interested in the case of Jack the Ripper?

A) I genuinely care only about solving the mystery - it fascinates me and I desperately want to know whodunnit; but deep down I do not believe that the mystery can ever be solved conclusively.
B) I genuinely care only about solving the mystery - it fascinates me and I desperately want to know whodunnit; and I genuinely believe that the mystery can be solved conclusively eventually.
C) I'm intrigued by the case and I enjoy the discussion as much as I would gain satisfaction from an answer.
D) I have some other reason. [If so, let us know what that reason is, please.]

It's August Bank Holiday, everyone, and it's wet and miserable. Seems like an appropriate place to start the discussion!

Best wishes,

Iconoclast

As with any subject, people have a vested interest. All manner of paranormal, mystery, legend, conspiracy, etc, will be debated until the cows come home, because people are interested in the mystery and the unknown. Not only that, but people make money doing this sort of thing, and thus a closed book is a possible end to a pay-day.

There'll never be a conclusive end to this debate, because people don't want a definitive end. It's human nature.

People believe what they choose to believe, regardless of fact.

[Heissenberg]

Heissenberg,

I understand the principle you suggest, but sadly for your point there is nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes, if you're interested) and I personally bow down before the unquestioned genius of the great Soothsayer himself in Post #1021 of The Greatest Thread of All ('One Incontrovertible Fact ...') when he writes:



Whatever happened to Soothsayer and his scullery maid Daft Carol the cruton queen, by the way?

Ike

touché but still can't change my veredict. Anyway I really enjoyed reading your work!!

[Iconoclast]

2) And a remark out of discussion is that Diego is not the spanish translation of James, it's Jaime instead. And how come that I'm capable to say so? because I'm both spaniard and named Jaime and most of my folks use to call me James or Jimmy indeed.

Heissenberg,

I understand the principle you suggest, but sadly for your point there is nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes, if you're interested) and I personally bow down before the unquestioned genius of the great Soothsayer himself in Post #1021 of The Greatest Thread of All ('One Incontrovertible Fact ...') when he writes:

I am reliably informed by my good friend Mr Google that 'Jaime' is a modern-day preference and that 'Diego' was the older translation.

I believe my scullery girl's Diego therefore trumps your Jaime.

Clearly, had the reverse been true, Maybrick would have signed his postcard to the Liverpool Echo JAIME LAURENTZ, GENUINE. The fact that he didn't unequivocally proves that my people - however humble their role - are cleverer than your people.

Whatever happened to Soothsayer and his scullery maid Daft Carol the cruton queen, by the way?

Ike

[Heissenberg]

Is it there any proven suspect you're about to give us? Since we're considering just Maybricks family in this thread, that's my proposal.
Don't really know Rippers identity, as you all.

[Scott Nelson]

I think Michael Maybrick could be more suitable to be a serial killer than any member of the saga.

What, are you kidding?