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  • The Baron
    Inspector
    • Feb 2019
    • 1492

    #1

    Florence The Ripperess

    Florence Maybrick is a better Jack the Ripper suspect than her husband, James!

    First, she's a convicted murderer. That alone puts her miles ahead of James, who, despite all the theories, was never even accused of killing anyone before that diary surfaced.

    Her initials F.M. were found on the wall at a crime scene. A clear sign she wanted to leave her mark, literally.

    She had an actual reason to hate her husband. He cheated on her constantly, so what better revenge than framing him for the most infamous murders in history? Writing a diary incriminating him would be child's play after poisoning him. Florence faked the Diary and the infamous Watch, it was a woman's watch!

    She's a woman, which means she could blend in without suspicion. The police were looking for a man, so they never even considered that a respectable lady with a fancy hat and a hidden knife might be behind it all.

    As an upper class woman, she could have easily afforded surgical training. Maybe she secretly attended medical lectures while James was busy having affairs.

    The Graffiti Was Blaming Someone, just like Florence did, the GSG message suggests someone was trying to shift blame, a theme that fits Florence’s story perfectly. She was a woman scorned, full of resentment toward James:
    James is the man that will not be blamed for nothing!

    Unlike her husband, who was 50 years old, riddled with arsenic, and barely holding himself together, hardly the nimble killer the Ripper would need to be. Florence, on the other hand, was a spry 25, young enough to navigate the dark alleys of Whitechapel without needing a nap between murders.

    She was American. And let's face it Americans love making a name for themselves in British history. Maybe she wanted to leave her mark in more ways than one.

    She eventually made her way back to America, because even Jack the Ripper needed a fresh start!

    Some of the Ripper letters included American spellings and phrases, Florence was born and raised in the U.S., meaning she would naturally use American spelling and expressions.

    She fits the profile of a vengeful killer. Unlike her husband, who was supposedly killing for... fun? Hallucinations? Florence had the perfect psychological profile, a betrayed woman lashing out at the very symbols of her betrayal.

    And most importantly, She had a personal grudge against prostitutes. Who were they to complain about James’ affairs, when she was the one stuck with him? Every victim was a twisted metaphor for the women in her husband’s life, getting rid of them one by one was her way of controlling what she couldn’t in her marriage.

    In conclusion, a convicted murderer with a motive, an alibi proof disguise, possible surgical knowledge, and initials on a crime scene wall? With this overwhelming evidence, it’s safe to say Florence Maybrick is a far better Jack the Ripper suspect than James ever was.



    The Baron
  • Lombro2
    Detective
    • Jun 2023
    • 473

    #2
    I Married A Serial Killer

    Throw out Significant Female Trigger Factor!

    She doesn't just pull the trigger. She's the gun.
    A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all. Except for Michael Barrett and his Diary of Jack the Ripper.

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    • Lombro2
      Detective
      • Jun 2023
      • 473

      #3
      Being a domestic killer obviously doesn’t put anyone anywhere in the frame, unless it’s another frame-up.

      If she did it, it means she can’t even make it out the front door before she hurts people. But she was innocent of killing James so I guess she could be a real serial killer like Jack the Ripper, after all.
      A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all. Except for Michael Barrett and his Diary of Jack the Ripper.

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      • John Wheat
        Assistant Commissioner
        • Jul 2008
        • 3353

        #4
        Originally posted by The Baron View Post
        Florence Maybrick is a better Jack the Ripper suspect than her husband, James!

        First, she's a convicted murderer. That alone puts her miles ahead of James, who, despite all the theories, was never even accused of killing anyone before that diary surfaced.

        Her initials F.M. were found on the wall at a crime scene. A clear sign she wanted to leave her mark, literally.

        She had an actual reason to hate her husband. He cheated on her constantly, so what better revenge than framing him for the most infamous murders in history? Writing a diary incriminating him would be child's play after poisoning him. Florence faked the Diary and the infamous Watch, it was a woman's watch!

        She's a woman, which means she could blend in without suspicion. The police were looking for a man, so they never even considered that a respectable lady with a fancy hat and a hidden knife might be behind it all.

        As an upper class woman, she could have easily afforded surgical training. Maybe she secretly attended medical lectures while James was busy having affairs.

        The Graffiti Was Blaming Someone, just like Florence did, the GSG message suggests someone was trying to shift blame, a theme that fits Florence’s story perfectly. She was a woman scorned, full of resentment toward James:
        James is the man that will not be blamed for nothing!

        Unlike her husband, who was 50 years old, riddled with arsenic, and barely holding himself together, hardly the nimble killer the Ripper would need to be. Florence, on the other hand, was a spry 25, young enough to navigate the dark alleys of Whitechapel without needing a nap between murders.

        She was American. And let's face it Americans love making a name for themselves in British history. Maybe she wanted to leave her mark in more ways than one.

        She eventually made her way back to America, because even Jack the Ripper needed a fresh start!

        Some of the Ripper letters included American spellings and phrases, Florence was born and raised in the U.S., meaning she would naturally use American spelling and expressions.

        She fits the profile of a vengeful killer. Unlike her husband, who was supposedly killing for... fun? Hallucinations? Florence had the perfect psychological profile, a betrayed woman lashing out at the very symbols of her betrayal.

        And most importantly, She had a personal grudge against prostitutes. Who were they to complain about James’ affairs, when she was the one stuck with him? Every victim was a twisted metaphor for the women in her husband’s life, getting rid of them one by one was her way of controlling what she couldn’t in her marriage.

        In conclusion, a convicted murderer with a motive, an alibi proof disguise, possible surgical knowledge, and initials on a crime scene wall? With this overwhelming evidence, it’s safe to say Florence Maybrick is a far better Jack the Ripper suspect than James ever was.



        The Baron
        Neither Florence or James Maybrick were the Ripper the idea that either is absurd.

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        • Lewis C
          Inspector
          • Dec 2022
          • 1145

          #5
          Originally posted by John Wheat View Post

          Neither Florence or James Maybrick were the Ripper the idea that either is absurd.
          I agree, and James' brother is also innocent.

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          • Lombro2
            Detective
            • Jun 2023
            • 473

            #6
            There are no women serial killers, business man serial killers or 50 year old serial killer rookies.

            And there is no cannibalism in the British navy, absolutely none, and when I say none, I mean there is a certain amount.​
            A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all. Except for Michael Barrett and his Diary of Jack the Ripper.

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            • caz
              Premium Member
              • Feb 2008
              • 10569

              #7
              Originally posted by John Wheat View Post

              Neither Florence or James Maybrick were the Ripper the idea that either is absurd.
              What a pointless thread - eh, John?
              "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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              • c.d.
                Commissioner
                • Feb 2008
                • 6571

                #8
                I very much enjoyed the book Did She Kill Him? by Kate Colquhoun. The Ripper connection is a plus. An extremely interesting look at Victorian England, its legal system and its treatment of women.

                https://www.amazon.com/Did-She-Kill-...s%2C333&sr=8-1

                c.d.

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                • John Wheat
                  Assistant Commissioner
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 3353

                  #9
                  Originally posted by caz View Post

                  What a pointless thread - eh, John?
                  Absolutely Caz.

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                  • FISHY1118
                    Assistant Commissioner
                    • May 2019
                    • 3619

                    #10
                    7 out of 18 current threads are on Maybrick . Where will it all end with this nothing of a suspect .?
                    'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                    • Lombro2
                      Detective
                      • Jun 2023
                      • 473

                      #11
                      I thought we were looking for a "Nothing" suspect.

                      The James are not the May that will be Bricked for Nothing Suspects.
                      A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all. Except for Michael Barrett and his Diary of Jack the Ripper.

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                      • caz
                        Premium Member
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 10569

                        #12
                        Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post
                        7 out of 18 current threads are on Maybrick . Where will it all end with this nothing of a suspect .?
                        When the baying masses stop posting about him and providing fodder for 'barking mad' minority theories?

                        Do I win £5?
                        "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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                        • FISHY1118
                          Assistant Commissioner
                          • May 2019
                          • 3619

                          #13
                          Originally posted by caz View Post

                          When the baying masses stop posting about him and providing fodder for 'barking mad' minority theories?

                          Do I win £5?
                          Not bad, I,ll think about it... $5 tho haha.
                          'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                          • caz
                            Premium Member
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 10569

                            #14
                            Originally posted by John Wheat View Post

                            Neither Florence or James Maybrick were the Ripper the idea that either is absurd.
                            I understand all the reasons for Florence not being Jack the Ripper.

                            What I'm not so sure about is how a diary written by anyone after Maybrick's death could be considered proof that he wasn't, or make the very idea absurd.

                            If someone faked a diary portraying William Bury as Jack, would it be proof that he wasn't? Might it depend on how badly or how recently you judged it to have been faked? Would your favourite chant have been: "Rubbish! The diary was odds-on faked by a loser, so the idea that Bury was Jack is absurd"?

                            IMHO, as an unidentified serial offender, Jack was more likely to have been one of the many thousands of men who drew no attention to themselves at the time of the murders, than among the few names that were either crossed off the list or could not be connected to more than one crime scene or victim at most. The police were falling over themselves to catch the killer but, to their credit, they didn't collectively go for the low hanging fruit or pick the lowest one to hang for a series of murders. There were also many false Jacks, who were disturbed enough to 'confess' to the murders, with no credible evidence against them and no reason to believe their stories.

                            Love,

                            Caz
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                            Last edited by caz; 02-19-2025, 11:28 AM.
                            "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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                            • Mike J. G.
                              Sergeant
                              • May 2017
                              • 843

                              #15
                              Originally posted by The Baron View Post
                              Florence Maybrick is a better Jack the Ripper suspect than her husband, James!

                              First, she's a convicted murderer. That alone puts her miles ahead of James, who, despite all the theories, was never even accused of killing anyone before that diary surfaced.

                              Her initials F.M. were found on the wall at a crime scene. A clear sign she wanted to leave her mark, literally.

                              She had an actual reason to hate her husband. He cheated on her constantly, so what better revenge than framing him for the most infamous murders in history? Writing a diary incriminating him would be child's play after poisoning him. Florence faked the Diary and the infamous Watch, it was a woman's watch!

                              She's a woman, which means she could blend in without suspicion. The police were looking for a man, so they never even considered that a respectable lady with a fancy hat and a hidden knife might be behind it all.

                              As an upper class woman, she could have easily afforded surgical training. Maybe she secretly attended medical lectures while James was busy having affairs.

                              The Graffiti Was Blaming Someone, just like Florence did, the GSG message suggests someone was trying to shift blame, a theme that fits Florence’s story perfectly. She was a woman scorned, full of resentment toward James:
                              James is the man that will not be blamed for nothing!

                              Unlike her husband, who was 50 years old, riddled with arsenic, and barely holding himself together, hardly the nimble killer the Ripper would need to be. Florence, on the other hand, was a spry 25, young enough to navigate the dark alleys of Whitechapel without needing a nap between murders.

                              She was American. And let's face it Americans love making a name for themselves in British history. Maybe she wanted to leave her mark in more ways than one.

                              She eventually made her way back to America, because even Jack the Ripper needed a fresh start!

                              Some of the Ripper letters included American spellings and phrases, Florence was born and raised in the U.S., meaning she would naturally use American spelling and expressions.

                              She fits the profile of a vengeful killer. Unlike her husband, who was supposedly killing for... fun? Hallucinations? Florence had the perfect psychological profile, a betrayed woman lashing out at the very symbols of her betrayal.

                              And most importantly, She had a personal grudge against prostitutes. Who were they to complain about James’ affairs, when she was the one stuck with him? Every victim was a twisted metaphor for the women in her husband’s life, getting rid of them one by one was her way of controlling what she couldn’t in her marriage.

                              In conclusion, a convicted murderer with a motive, an alibi proof disguise, possible surgical knowledge, and initials on a crime scene wall? With this overwhelming evidence, it’s safe to say Florence Maybrick is a far better Jack the Ripper suspect than James ever was.



                              The Baron
                              Honestly, I'd say it makes as much, if not more sense than the Maybrick story. The things I don't agree with, though, are that Florence killed anybody, much less James, or that there was an FM anywhere in Kelly's room.

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