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  • #31
    Originally posted by barnflatwyngarde View Post

    Hi Caz, as we say in Glasgow, " He might be daft, but he's not stupid!"

    I'm working my way through the magnum opus that is " Ripper Diary: The Inside Story", written by three very knowledgeable people whose names escape me for the moment.

    It's a riveting read, and no mistake, so kudos for that!

    In my humble opinion, there's much that counts against the diary being written by Maybrick.
    Having said that, I know that supporters of the diary have ammunition to challenge many of those aspects raised by the diary nay sayers.

    An area of of the diary case that I have a real problem with is the actual content of the diary itself.
    It reads like a pastiche, and a very bad pastiche at that.

    It just reads like a parody of what someone might write if he/she is trying to convey a mind unravelling.

    If I was trying to concoct a diary that pointed the blame at James Maybrick, it wouldn't be too far away from the diary we have at the moment, although I think that I could have made a more subtle job of it.

    None of Ed Kemper's interviews, or Ted Bundy's interviews bear any resemblance to the thought processes presented in the diary, and those were two minds that were totally unravelled.

    I have followed pretty closely many, if not most of the debates re the diary on these boards, and any time I find myself moving closer to the possibility of the genuineness of the diary, I go back and reread the actual diary, and I find myself almost laughing out loud.

    Anyway, those are my honest thoughts on the matter, I might be right or I might be wrong.
    No change there then!

    My preferred candidate for the killer is "Blotchy".
    Nothing dramatic, just a bad wee sod who lived locally, and lived and died quietly and anonymously.

    Have a good Xmas.





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    I would not disagree with anything you say here, Barny. "Blotchy" would be one of my preferred suspects while he remains unidentified. I expect the Barretts were delighted to read in Bernard Ryan's book that by November 1888 the real James Maybrick had been suffering with various skin eruptions himself for the previous three months.

    To my tin ear, the pastiche - or parody, spoof, burlesque - reads like it was meant to be a bad one, and was loaded with deliberately bad jokes, rhymes and wordplay, for comic effect.

    It reads to me like the ultimate ripper hoax, based on the many ripper letters received by the police and press, and articles in Punch, published at the time of the murders, which the vast majority took to be spoofs, and not connected with the killer himself.

    The difference with the diary - whether it was the brainchild of someone schooled in the 1930s [Melvin Harris's early prediction], or in earlier or later decades - is that the killer can be identified from the internal content as a real person, who was a nobody until his death in mysterious circumstances in Battlecrease House, not long after The Autumn of Terror. In fact, I have seen it from day one as an Alternative Diary of a Nobody, with the Maybricks as Liverpudlian Pooters!

    I didn't know then, that there might be circumstantial evidence that it was found in Maybrick's old bedroom - the ultimate place to plant the ultimate ripper hoax.

    How it might have got there and when is another matter, but I doubt its author ever imagined it would end up with Michael Barrett.

    I could see the author now, crying with laughter at the unexpected mayhem spread by what Mike did next.

    Have a lovely Christmas but please stay safe.

    Love,

    Caz
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    "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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    • #32
      I don't know enough about the people involved in the diary's, um, "provenance" to name a suspect, but after buying a copy and reading it I am convinced that it is a modern forgery whose author(s) had a late 20th century understanding of the case.

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      • #33
        So currently, we have 22 casebook members for a Barrett hoax, and 12 for not a Barrett hoax/undecided. And that's with all the bias shown by the many Barrett believers who post, so I consider that quite reasonable!

        I'm assuming only casebook members can vote, but anyone can read the posts?

        Do the number of views on a particular thread reflect everyone who visits, or only members?

        I'm one of the 5 currently 'undecided', if anyone is interested.

        Love,

        Caz
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        "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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        • #34
          Originally posted by caz View Post
          So currently, we have 22 casebook members for a Barrett hoax, and 12 for not a Barrett hoax/undecided. And that's with all the bias shown by the many Barrett believers who post, so I consider that quite reasonable!

          I'm assuming only casebook members can vote, but anyone can read the posts?

          Do the number of views on a particular thread reflect everyone who visits, or only members?

          I'm one of the 5 currently 'undecided', if anyone is interested.

          Love,

          Caz
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          Hi Caz,

          I think only posters can vote. I have no idea who has voted and who has not.

          It seems those who are pro Barrett hoax are so because of the basic fact Mike “confessed”. I am guessing most of them believe that is case closed as a result.

          Outside of RJ and Orsam, I simply cannot believe anyone who has examined all of the arguments can be 100% certain of a Barrett hoax. Even they have used language that suggest they are not entirely convinced themselves, but those of us who think a Barrett hoax is not likely, we seemingly have the burden of having to provide the evidence.

          What they have is enough apparently. A man’s contradictory affidavit and no physical evidence to support his claims.

          Case closed.

          Ero

          Author of 'Jack the Ripper: Threads' out now on Amazon > UK | USA | CA | AUS
          JayHartley.com

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          • #35
            Originally posted by erobitha View Post

            Hi Caz,

            I think only posters can vote. I have no idea who has voted and who has not.

            It seems those who are pro Barrett hoax are so because of the basic fact Mike “confessed”. I am guessing most of them believe that is case closed as a result.

            Outside of RJ and Orsam, I simply cannot believe anyone who has examined all of the arguments can be 100% certain of a Barrett hoax. Even they have used language that suggest they are not entirely convinced themselves, but those of us who think a Barrett hoax is not likely, we seemingly have the burden of having to provide the evidence.

            What they have is enough apparently. A man’s contradictory affidavit and no physical evidence to support his claims.

            Case closed.

            Ero
            Hi Ero B,

            Personally, I'm over the moon that the Barrett Hoax Theory (BHT) is so popular. It tells me that - in the general case - people have got pretty much no idea at all what they are voting for which is encouraging because that means the 'competition' is so very weak. If we ever start debating a proper hoax theory, you and I could - in theory at least - be hanging our coats on shoogly pegs, mate, but for now it seems we'll never know if we will or not.

            It's a shame - and it would have been so appropriate at this time of year - if you'd had an option 'Bahhhhh' which the vast majority of the BHTs could have all voted for instead.

            PS Caz, it's a great question regarding what counts as a 'View' - like you, I've no idea.

            Cheers,

            Ike
            Iconoclast
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            • #36
              Oh - genius alert - we should call it the Barrett Alleged Hoax ... what does everyone think??????

              Iconoclast
              Materials: HistoryvsMaybrick – Dropbox

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              • #37
                Maybe it should be Barrett Alleged Artifice to be strictly correct?
                Iconoclast
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                • #38
                  Or the Bongo my Arse Hoaxy Hoaxy Hoax Hoax?

                  Love,

                  Caz
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                    • #40
                      Ho Ho Ho. The comedic wit on display in these Maybrick threads is really outstanding is it not? I'm sitting here splitting my sides with huge guffaws of laughter. It's really something else. Who needs "Live at the Apollo" (pass the sick bucket) when we have this most excellent comedic entertainment!!!!!

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by caz View Post
                        So currently, we have 22 casebook members for a Barrett hoax, and 12 for not a Barrett hoax/undecided. And that's with all the bias shown by the many Barrett believers who post, so I consider that quite reasonable!

                        I'm assuming only casebook members can vote, but anyone can read the posts?

                        Do the number of views on a particular thread reflect everyone who visits, or only members?

                        I'm one of the 5 currently 'undecided', if anyone is interested.

                        Love,

                        Caz
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                        It's an absolute massacre though for the two who believe Maybrick to be the author of the Diary/Journal

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                        • #42
                          I am not able to vote. I see the results but there is nowhere for me to vote. It looks like the poll has closed?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Tab View Post
                              I am not able to vote. I see the results but there is nowhere for me to vote. It looks like the poll has closed?
                              I did not set an end date, there might have been one set by default. Perhaps admin can confirm.
                              Author of 'Jack the Ripper: Threads' out now on Amazon > UK | USA | CA | AUS
                              JayHartley.com

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Observer View Post
                                Ho Ho Ho. The comedic wit on display in these Maybrick threads is really outstanding is it not? I'm sitting here splitting my sides with huge guffaws of laughter. It's really something else. Who needs "Live at the Apollo" (pass the sick bucket) when we have this most excellent comedic entertainment!!!!!
                                I'm partial to a bit sarcasm myself. I think it suits you.
                                Author of 'Jack the Ripper: Threads' out now on Amazon > UK | USA | CA | AUS
                                JayHartley.com

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