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  • All in all a fairly damp squib was lobster day - or should that be squid?

    Whilst David O’Baron’s persistence to check all sources and give them the necessary stress testing that others missed is impressive, it isn’t the smoking gun that takes us any further in reality.

    As already adequately explained there are many permutations outside of just Lord O’s conclusion but his research and subsequent conclusion must be considered as one possible permutation. It is not the dagger to the heart I hoped it would be and am a little deflated that this sorry saga continues to rumble on.
    "When the legend becomes fact... print the legend"
    - The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962)

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    • Originally posted by The Baron View Post

      Originally posted by The Baron View Post
      Now I realised I may know what kind of Error David Orsam has found, It must be a mistake done by the forger while blindly copying from a false source.

      Whatever it is, I am sure Orsam will crack again the earth under all the Diary defenders and leave them in a total void.


      The Baron
      And he did!


      The Baron
      Hi Barren,

      You mean the void under the floorboard, which defended the diary from daylight until 9th March 1992?

      The 'false source' was Florie, who lied to her hubby about the purpose of her visit to London. She wasn't really going to see her aunt, or her Godmother, or her mother, was she? Unless you think she was off for some kind of incestuous menage a trois with Alfie as the filling in the buttie.

      Love,

      Caz
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      • Originally posted by Observer View Post

        Yes indeed Mr Eyes, an interesting day. Brilliant research by Mr Orsam, as ever, but I think he's left too much wiggle room for the, old hoax/Maybrick as the Ripper brigade. There was no real need to be truthful to introduce this new snippet, there's plenty in the tank to nail the Bard of Goldie Street in my opinion.
        But it isn't new research, is it, Observer? Not by any stretch. The 'anomaly' was found back in the 90s.

        Credit where credit is due please.

        And you will get all the credit if you can tell us which Maybrick book gave Bongo his source for Florie lying to Jim in private about her plans to visit an aunt, when she was planning to visit an Alf.

        Love,

        Caz
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        • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
          watch talk is off topic. take it to the other thread please
          Does it rattle you then, Abby? It can't be 'off topic' on any Maybrick thread, given the signature inside it.

          Love,

          Caz
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          • Originally posted by caz View Post

            But it isn't new research, is it, Observer? Not by any stretch. The 'anomaly' was found back in the 90s.

            Credit where credit is due please.

            And you will get all the credit if you can tell us which Maybrick book gave Bongo his source for Florie lying to Jim in private about her plans to visit an aunt, when she was planning to visit an Alf.

            Love,

            Caz
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            In M’Lord’s book of ethics (and no doubt thuffolk and thurrey) that’s a transgression of positively Hensonian magnitude.

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            • Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post

              One of the great misunderstandings of science.

              The burden of proof lies with anyone making any claim, ever.
              You CLAIM the diary was (highly likely) written by James Maybrick.

              Let's see some proof of that.

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              • Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post

                In M’Lord’s book of ethics (and no doubt thuffolk and thurrey) that’s a transgression of positively Hensonian magnitude.
                The delicious irony is that it was Anne Graham who helped Keith after he had identified this 'fatal' error in Mike's DAiry, regarding Flo's 'aunt' [according to Addison] v her 'Godmother' [according to Hopper] v her 'mother' [according to Yapp] v her 'friend' [according to Margaret Baillie-Knight].

                I'm sure there's a simple enough explanation.

                Was it a cunning double bluff on Anne's part, in the hope that nobody would believe she'd piss on her own jam butties like this, if she or Mike had copied 'blindly' from Addison?

                Did Anne predict that if she failed to go along with this fatal flaw in their own Maybrick research, and cover her arse in the process, it was bound to come out eventually, thanks to someone of Lord O's limited understanding of how aunts and Godmothers can be pretty much interchangeable, especially when a lady is hellbent on using one or the other as an alibi for adultery? If Jim didn't want Dr Hopper to know that Flo was making a monkey out of him, might he not have gone along with her story about going to see her Godmother? What would he care, whether she referred to her normally as "Auntie" or "Godmother"?

                This reminds me of that old joke about the passengers in the train carriage with their newspapers.

                A lady says to her friend: "What do you think the answer is, Doris? One down, four letters, the clue is 'essentially feminine'? It ends with u n t."

                "Easy", says Doris. "The answer is 'aunt'."

                "Ahem, could either of you two ladies lend me an eraser?" asks the vicar, with pencil poised.

                Love,

                Caz
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                • Originally posted by Harry D View Post

                  You CLAIM the diary was (highly likely) written by James Maybrick.

                  Let's see some proof of that.
                  I have no proof of that claim.

                  Nor does anyone have proof of the counter-claim.

                  This is why the Incontrovertible thread remains The Greatest Thread of All.

                  That does not mean that proof (either way) is not out there somewhere.

                  Until there is, we deal with probabilities and - unfortunately - that tends to come down to opinion about the relative weight of probabilities (with those who do not understand statistics profoundly underestimating the statistical case in favour of Maybrick being Jack and I not).
                  Iconoclast

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                  • Originally posted by caz View Post

                    The delicious irony is that it was Anne Graham who helped Keith after he had identified this 'fatal' error in Mike's DAiry, regarding Flo's 'aunt' [according to Addison] v her 'Godmother' [according to Hopper] v her 'mother' [according to Yapp] v her 'friend' [according to Margaret Baillie-Knight].

                    I'm sure there's a simple enough explanation.
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                    Hi Caz

                    I’ve found the trial quote regarding the aunt, and if you read on, it seems to suggest that the Aunt reference came from Addison, via Yapp.

                    Did Yapp claim that Florie went to see her mother in London when giving evidence?
                    If so, then perhaps Addison simply got it wrong in his opening speech.

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                      Maybe the letter from “John K” regarding Flories visit to London is what caused Addison to make the mistake, and why He had Aunts on the brain.

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                        Just to add to the confusion...

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                        • Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
                          And before anyone comes out with ‘Ah, but you’ve got a personal grudge against DB, so your opinion is biased’, read this:

                          https://jtrforums.com/showthread.php...ight=Islington

                          I still haven’t got round to finishing the book, but I will, and if the rest of it lives up the promise of the early chapters (as I suspect it may), I will praise his Lordship to the rafters.


                          That's because you are honest.

                          It is really sad that every one of you went in a different direction.



                          The Baron

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                          • Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post

                            I have no proof of that claim.

                            Nor does anyone have proof of the counter-claim.

                            This is why the Incontrovertible thread remains The Greatest Thread of All.

                            That does not mean that proof (either way) is not out there somewhere.

                            Until there is, we deal with probabilities and - unfortunately - that tends to come down to opinion about the relative weight of probabilities (with those who do not understand statistics profoundly underestimating the statistical case in favour of Maybrick being Jack and I not).
                            I need to come back to my earlier post because I have realised I replied in haste.

                            Originally posted by Harry D View Post
                            You CLAIM the diary was (highly likely) written by James Maybrick.
                            Let's see some proof of that.
                            I realise now that it was my claim that the scrapbook was (highly likely) to have been written by James Maybrick that was in question. This is a claim I stand by, and the evidence for it is presented in my brilliant Society's Pillar.

                            I had thought - in my haste - that the claim I was 'accused' of was that James Maybrick definitely wrote the scrapbook.

                            As I have said many times, the answer to this question lies in the statistics and - in particular - the utterly implausible nature of many events and circumstances were James Maybrick innocent of the Whitechapel crimes.

                            I wrote my brilliant Society's Pillar so that I didn't have to keep presenting that case every time someone asked for it on here.

                            The link to it is to be found in the first post of the eponymous thread.

                            It's much better than anything Lord Orsam's come up with, by the way.

                            Cheers,

                            Ike

                            Iconoclast

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                            • Originally posted by The Baron View Post



                              That's because you are honest.

                              It is really sad that every one of you went in a different direction.



                              The Baron
                              There’s only one of me. I leave the multiple personalities to others. ;-)

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                              • Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post

                                One of the great misunderstandings of science.

                                The burden of proof lies with anyone making any claim, ever.

                                Exactly

                                And the one who wrote the diary claiming he was Jack the Ripper has to prove this.

                                You don't seem so clever as you pretend.


                                The Baron

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