The Diary—Old Hoax or New?

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  • John Wheat
    Assistant Commissioner
    • Jul 2008
    • 3346

    #826
    Originally posted by Lombro2 View Post
    There's no FM? Am I seeing things? Am I going crazy? Am I insane? Did I really see a cloaking Sasquatch or did I imagine the whole thing? Ahhhhhhhhhh!
    Yes there is no FM

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    • Lombro2
      Detective
      • Jun 2023
      • 428

      #827
      Okay but how do you know I didn't see a cloaking Sasquatch?

      I also remember that the guy who fenced the Hitler Diary was a journalist, not the guy who forged it. But correct me if I'm wrong and make me feel insane if you must.
      A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all.

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      • John Wheat
        Assistant Commissioner
        • Jul 2008
        • 3346

        #828
        Originally posted by Lombro2 View Post
        Okay but how do you know I didn't see a cloaking Sasquatch?

        I also remember that the guy who fenced the Hitler Diary was a journalist, not the guy who forged it. But correct me if I'm wrong and make me feel insane if you must.
        I never said you didn't see a cloaking Sasquatch.

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        • Herlock Sholmes
          Commissioner
          • May 2017
          • 21822

          #829
          Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post

          Of course there's no FM on the wall, Wheato. Same as Barrett was a journalist - everything has to go one way, doesn't it?

          What do you say to those people who can see shapes which look like FM on Kelly's wall ('cos it sure ain't just me)?
          No, it sure ain't just you, Ike. We had a poll in January didn't we, the result of which was that out of 25 people voting, only 2 said they could see "FM" on the wall, which number, funnily enough, exactly matches the number of regular posters on this forum, in addition to yourself, who say they think James Maybrick was Jack the Ripper. This poll result didn't exactly support your optimistic claim, which you had made to me, without ever providing any evidence in support, that "plenty of people" can see "FM" on the wall, did it?​
          Regards

          Sir Herlock Sholmes.

          “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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          • Lombro2
            Detective
            • Jun 2023
            • 428

            #830
            So journalist = fence in our quick, objective survey, not based on personal opinion.

            “Plenty of people” not “plenty of Ripperologists”.
            A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all.

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            • rjpalmer
              Commissioner
              • Mar 2008
              • 4244

              #831
              Originally posted by Lombro2 View Post
              I also remember that the guy who fenced the Hitler Diary was a journalist, not the guy who forged it.
              For the Hitler Diaries to have been fenced, they would have to have been stolen. They weren't.

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              • Lombro2
                Detective
                • Jun 2023
                • 428

                #832
                Originally posted by John Wheat View Post
                I never said you didn't see a cloaking Sasquatch.
                Thank you, John. I was beginning to think I lost my mind.

                A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all.

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                • Lombro2
                  Detective
                  • Jun 2023
                  • 428

                  #833
                  Reading these discussions is like listening to a trial with two bad lawyers.

                  Prosecution: Here are black gloves found at the scene. The defendant can try them on but we already know they don’t fit.

                  Defence: That’s okay. We can use glove stretchers. We wouldn’t want to embarrass you in front of the jury. We already know our client is guilty.
                  A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all.

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                  • Herlock Sholmes
                    Commissioner
                    • May 2017
                    • 21822

                    #834
                    We know that the diary is a fake just as we know that OJ was guilty.
                    Regards

                    Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                    “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                    • Lombro2
                      Detective
                      • Jun 2023
                      • 428

                      #835
                      But you’re on the defence team. The dream team.

                      No Perry Mason moments here.

                      Just Johnny Cochrane.
                      A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all.

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                      • John Wheat
                        Assistant Commissioner
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 3346

                        #836
                        Originally posted by Lombro2 View Post
                        Reading these discussions is like listening to a trial with two bad lawyers.

                        Prosecution: Here are black gloves found at the scene. The defendant can try them on but we already know they don’t fit.

                        Defence: That’s okay. We can use glove stretchers. We wouldn’t want to embarrass you in front of the jury. We already know our client is guilty.
                        Are you and Ike the bad lawyers?

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                        • rjpalmer
                          Commissioner
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 4244

                          #837
                          Originally posted by Lombro2 View Post
                          Do you really remember that? (Korsakoff)
                          'Iconoclast' has already passed along the following info:

                          "On Monday August 22 1994, Barrett's GP (with Mike's permission) wrote to Doreen Montgomery with a list of Mike's medical conditions dating back to 1984. There was no mention of a stroke in 1992 or any other year..."

                          Presumably if Barrett had been diagnosed with Korsakoff's Syndrome between 1984 and August 1994 this would also have been in those medical records? You could always ask Ike for confirmation rather than just random chest thumping.

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                          • Lombro2
                            Detective
                            • Jun 2023
                            • 428

                            #838
                            Originally posted by John Wheat View Post
                            Are you and Ike the bad lawyers?
                            Yes, we are constantly being given gifts by the unprepared lawyers who say things like, “Fences don’t deal in forgeries”, and we give up every Perry Mason moment.

                            A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all.

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                            • rjpalmer
                              Commissioner
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 4244

                              #839
                              Originally posted by Lombro2 View Post
                              Yes, we are constantly being given gifts by the unprepared lawyers who say things like, “Fences don’t deal in forgeries”, and we give up every Perry Mason moment.
                              You might want to invest in a dictionary, Lombro, because you're misusing the word.

                              A fence is a receiver of stolen goods who then resells them for a profit.

                              Gerd Heidemann, the journalist for Stern, was not a fence. Yes, he was the middleman between Konrad Kujau (the forger) and the editors at Stern.

                              But he wasn't passing along stolen merchandise. That's your own invention.

                              You're trying to forge a link between Heidemann and Barrett, but the two cases are not analogous--unless you're an advocate of Melvin Harris's theory.

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                              • Lombro2
                                Detective
                                • Jun 2023
                                • 428

                                #840
                                I must be mad, mentally deficient, and have more than just loss of short-term memory.

                                Maybe I have a disease that causes "severe memory impairment, particularly problems forming new memories (anterograde amnesia) and recalling past events (retrograde amnesia)."

                                Korsakoff!!! Oh no!

                                Could be, eh? Some diagnoses go undiagnosed, don't they.

                                No? Then I must not have it than because I haven't been diagnosed. But that could be my disease talking. Help me! Help me!
                                A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all.

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