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  • Eliza
    started a topic The Diary—Old Hoax or New?

    The Diary—Old Hoax or New?

    Like I said earlier, I’m no historian, just someone who has a degree in English Lit from a pretty good school. In the course of my studies, and during spare time, I read a lot of Victorian and Edwardian literature—classics, early detective novels, journalism, even “penny dreadfuls.” Based on this experience and other thoughts, I opt for the “new hoax” theory.

    First, for those who advocate for an old hoax—what was the purpose? Was the phony “Maybrick Journal” intended to be a scary piece of fiction incorporating the Ripper murders—ala “The Lodger” by Belloc Lowndes? If so, it doesn’t fit any known suspense novel prototype from that time. Anyone who’s read Lowndes, or other minor 19th crime/detective writers, would notice the slow pace, fusty prose, sentimentality, and careful restraint regarding the gory aspects of the crimes. The raw, harsh, and comparatively gruesome qualities of the Maybrick document is in stark contrast. Again, it’s like no other work of crime fiction from that era. While it does contain some fairly convincing Victorian-esque prose, the overall presentation is extremely modern.

    If it were not intended as fiction—then again, what was the purpose? To frame Maybrick? Why? Or to make a quick buck by positing a new Ripper suspect? Then why was it never offered to the public?

    At any rate, I suspect any old hoax of this type—whether offered as fiction or non fiction--would have seemed too harsh and over the top for any publisher to touch, given the sensibilities of the time. A hoaxer clever enough to invent this narrative, would be clever enough to put it in form that would be acceptable for that era’s readership.

    I think the hoax is new, but as I stated in my earlier post on the subject, may have incorporated a few recently discovered Maybrick letters or journal entries

  • Iconoclast
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    Originally posted by Observer View Post
    You're not overly fond of David Orsam are you?
    Personally, I'm a huge fan ...

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  • Observer
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    You're not overly fond of David Orsam are you?

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  • Graham
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    Lord Orsam does have other names, too, Pat...

    Graham

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  • Pcdunn
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    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    Orsam = Awesome. It's a homophone.
    Interesting. I think it only works like that in the U.K., though. I never got the pun, and always believed Orsam to be a charming British surname.

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  • Graham
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

    yeah it was the ripper! ; )
    Really? How utterly fascinating! Do tell us more!

    Graham

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Graham View Post
    Have recently started to re-read my Ripper books - and I have dozens and dozens of them. In Shirley Harrison's 'The Diary Of Jack The Ripper' she mentions a murder that took place in Battlecrease at some point prior to the Maybricks moving in. Anybody know anything about this? Must have completely slipped my memory (not difficult to do these days).

    Graham
    yeah it was the ripper! ; )

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post

    Och aye tha noo Herlock, ma pal - it's an auld Scottish expression. I'm sure it's evident whit it means, ken?
    I like that one Ike. My gran was Scottish but I don’t recall her eve using it,

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  • Graham
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    Have recently started to re-read my Ripper books - and I have dozens and dozens of them. In Shirley Harrison's 'The Diary Of Jack The Ripper' she mentions a murder that took place in Battlecrease at some point prior to the Maybricks moving in. Anybody know anything about this? Must have completely slipped my memory (not difficult to do these days).

    Graham

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  • Iconoclast
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    Never heard that one before Ike.
    Och aye tha noo Herlock, ma pal - it's an auld Scottish expression. I'm sure it's evident whit it means, ken?

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  • Iconoclast
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    Originally posted by Kaz View Post


    Can't see this happening, if memory serves he made personal threats to admin.
    One would have to imagine that would be a rate-limiting step in the process of his rehabilitation, right enough ...

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    . Surely not every single thing I (for example) have written is utter mince?
    Never heard that one before Ike.

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  • Kaz
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    Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post

    If there was any way Admin would consider letting him back on, I'd say Aye for one.

    Obviously, we'd make it clear to Admin that this was a strictly one-off instance.

    Can't see this happening, if memory serves he made personal threats to admin.

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  • Kaz
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    Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post
    To be fair to Lord Orsam, he has a frightful grasp of the wider information.
    Hello Ike!

    Indeed, great detective work by Lordy Orsam

    How did he get his hands on those personal letters between mike and anne?

    For me they prove Mike WAS capable of 'writing a sick note'.....before he succumbed to alcohol abuse and quite likely a form of dementia.

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  • Iconoclast
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    Originally posted by Purkis View Post

    Good to see he's taking his ban, sorry, his 'resignation' from the 'Censorship Forum' well.
    To be fair to Lord Orsam, he has a frightful grasp of the wider information. There's barely a scrap of information which he is not capable of expanding through whatever means he has at his disposal. A good example is the 'Who is Jim?' newspaper article which did not conclusively prove it wasn't Our Jim it was referring to but certainly made it less likely to be him.

    Where he lets himself down is in his terrible grasp of statistics (which I will be taking him up on in Society's Pillar eventually), his rather pompous tone (I much prefer his witty arrogance than his condescending ranting), and the self-evident fact that he simply criticises everything (and I mean everything)! One's argument is generally strengthened when one recognises the merit in a counter-argument. It gives credibility to the criticism, but the good Lord just criticises everything without pause for breath and - for me - it undermines his argument rather than reinforces it. Surely not every single thing I (for example) have written is utter mince? Maybe it is, but I feel that over the years I must have got something right occasionally. You'd just never know it from the hissing and screeching from Voldemort in the corner.

    That said, I actually like him. I loved the sentiment behind Send in the Clowns (though I still haven't arsed myself to read it fully), and without him this Maybrick forum would be largely dead in the water. Certainly, it would have longer periods of stagnancy. If there was any way Admin would consider letting him back on, I'd say Aye for one.

    Obviously, we'd make it clear to Admin that this was a strictly one-off instance.

    Cheers,

    Ike

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