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Originally posted by Scott Nelson View PostI've spent the last few days pondering this comment. It must be an inside joke, right?
In an earlier post, Ike transcribed a conversation between Anne Graham, Keith, and Shirley back in 1995.
KS: I asked, erm, when you were out of the room about ‘O costly intercourse of death’, the Hillsborough disaster –
SH: Yes, yes, yes.
KS: - in which, erm –
AG: Anyone want more tea?
KS: Oh, yes.
[General discussion about tea, cake, staying over that evening, and a book which Skinner and Harrison hoped to take a photocopy from.]
It struck me that just as things were becoming interesting--the Crashaw quote--Anne Graham redirected the conversation to tea, cake, and sleeping arrangements.
Similarly, as Ike didn't seem to be particularly interested in engaging with your commentary about Tony D and Mike's copy of Tales of Liverpool, I thought I'd help him out by asking the same question.
Anyone want more tea?
I suppose I can be a bit of a smart-ass.
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Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post
Anyone want more tea?
Common sense would have told me that it was Mike who borrowed Tony's book, not the other way around.
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Originally posted by rjpalmer View PostA message in a bottle, as it were.
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Originally posted by rjpalmer View PostOf course, this is pure speculation.
"I then made a mark 'kidney' shaped, just below centre inside the cover with the Knife."
He's not necessarily describing cutting, Ike. The Stanley knife could have been used as a sort of pallet knife to manipulate the oil. Now that we can see the kidney shape, there is an odd pattern of dripping surrounding it, as if 'by design.' IMHO.
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Hello Ike, just a brief comment.
In truth, I can't blame autocorrect, but merely the slow and inevitable march towards geriatric senility, disability, and death. Years ago, I used to frequent the small, quaint town of Sutherland and somehow inflicted its name onto your archrival, Sunderland. We are currently having a lively national debate about the nature of senility and its symptoms due to...ahem...certain well-known figures that I cannot name on this forum due to the blanket ban on discussing politics. I'll leave it your imagination, but from what I have read, mixing up names isn't quite as bad as mixing up faces, to the extent of believing, for instance, that Barak Obama is still the POTUS. So, I live in hope.
I suppose by 'very influential people in the film world' Barrett only meant Paul Feldman. I've wondered about that. It's possible that Barrett, going through a rough patch, was paranoid to the extent that he genuinely feared being on the receiving end of GBH from Feldman and his chauffer Robbie, so I cannot entirely rule out the possibility that Barrett lodged the affidavit with his solicitor under the belief that his battered and lifeless body would soon turn up in the Mersey. A message in a bottle, as it were. Of course, this is pure speculation.
Ciao.
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Originally posted by rjpalmer View PostI won't press you on this point, Ike, but your readers might well wonder how Anne would have known about Mike's 'new' forgery claim if she hadn't read what Mike had shoved through her letterbox and if Mike hadn't distributed the affidavit to others who might clue her in to its contents.
Michael Barrett's Confessions
January 5 1995
From a sworn affidavit:
I MICHAEL BARRETT, make oath and state as follows:-
That I am an Author by occupation and a former Scrap Metal Merchant. I reside alone at XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX, and at this time I am incapacitated due to an accident., for which I am attending Hospital as an out-patient. I have this day been informed that it may be neccessary (sic) for them to amputate two of the fingers on my right hand.
Since December 1993 I have been trying, through the press, the Publishers, the Author of the Book, Mrs Harrison, and my Agent Doreen Montgomery to expose the fraud of ' The Diary of Jack the Ripper ' ("the diary").
Nobody will believe me and in fact some very influential people in the Publishing and Film world have been doing everything to discredit me and in fact they have gone so far as to introduce a new and complete story of the original facts of the Diary and how it came to light.
The facts of this matter are outlined as follows:-
I Michael Barratt (sic) was the author of the original diary of 'Jack the Ripper' and my wife, Anne Barrett, hand wrote it from my typed notes and on occasions at my dictation, the details of which I will explain in due course.
Your mind, like the Blessed Virgin, works in mysterious ways.
I can't imagine that you are suggesting Anne would have been aware of what Mike's claims would be, without even reading them, because she had lived through it, and would already be familiar with the events he would describe in his affidavit?!? My God, you might be on to something.
I present to you the name of Tucupita Marcano, infielder for the San Diego Padres. This June he was banned for life for betting on a baseball game he played in. Four others received a one-year suspension for betting on games that they weren't involved in.
I'm a brute, so kicking a Crystal Palace fan strikes me as no great crime, but betting on one's sacred sport is anathema. Am I wrong to think that if Mr. Tonali had played for Sutherland, you'd have been among the first to gather up the tar, feathers, and lynch rope?
Enjoy your day. Today is the day my team will almost certainly be eliminated from playoff contention, so all is doom and gloom.
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Originally posted by John Wheat View Post
I doubt I will. I tend to write out each reply.
It is also considered trolling (on these boards) if anyone posts, not to further the conversation, but to sarcastically underscore a point.
Thanks
JM
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Originally posted by Iconoclast View PostI don't know if Anne read it, but she certainly seemed to be aware of his new forgery claim.
I can't imagine that you are suggesting Anne would have been aware of what Mike's claims would be, without even reading them, because she had lived through it, and would already be familiar with the events he would describe in his affidavit?!? My God, you might be on to something.
As for Tonali. Yes, you're quite right. Scurrilous. My apologies.
I present to you the name of Tucupita Marcano, infielder for the San Diego Padres. This June he was banned for life for betting on a baseball game he played in. Four others received a one-year suspension for betting on games that they weren't involved in.
I'm a brute, so kicking a Crystal Palace fan strikes me as no great crime, but betting on one's sacred sport is anathema. Am I wrong to think that if Mr. Tonali had played for Sutherland, you'd have been among the first to gather up the tar, feathers, and lynch rope?
Enjoy your day. Today is the day my team will almost certainly be eliminated from playoff contention, so all is doom and gloom.
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Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post
You'll wear those Control, C and V keys out if you don't watch it ...
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Originally posted by John Wheat View Post
The Diary is a fake though. Probably written by Anne and Mike Barrett.
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Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post1. Do you accept that the first thing Mike did with his affidavit was to slide it (or mail it) through Anne's letterbox, and that Anne read it, and this is why you and I think she was 'fishing' for information from Keith and Shirley two weeks later?
2. Also, can you finally admit that Mike didn't give a copy of the affidavit to anyone else that we know of in the whole 1995 and 1996. [Alan Gray obviously had it because he typed it, and he may have given a copy to Melvin, but we have no evidence that Mike gave it to anyone else until January 1997].
Finally, I didn't want to bring this up, but it's been preying on my mind since your post of some weeks ago.You referred to the suspension of Sandro Tonali as "spurious."
Speaking of which, Tonali is back tonight after a scurrilous ten-month ban and the mighty Magpies are away at Forest in the EFL Cup. Time for a quick Guinness or four, anyone???
When it comes to confessions (be it 'Maybrick's', Barrett's, or Tonali's) you have some very queer ideas.Last edited by Iconoclast; 09-25-2024, 09:48 PM.
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Originally posted by Iconoclast View PostWell, Mike freely mentioned it in the morning of January 18 to Shirley and Keith (inter alia) and then his ex-wife did the same thing in the afternoon
Bear in mind that Keith and Shirley were, I believe, stationed in or around London and only went to Liverpool sporadically. There is nothing in the typescripts you've uploaded to show that either they, or the Barretts, were referring to anything other than Barrett's public confession the previous summer to Brough (which we know was quickly retracted) and to his claim in October 1994, that Anne had been the penman. (Sorry for the gender dysphoria, but that's how we refer to it).
Let's try another tack. If I don't agree with your assessment, at least I can try to fully understand it.
1. Do you accept that the first thing Mike did with his affidavit was to slide it (or mail it) through Anne's letterbox, and that Anne read it, and this is why you and I think she was 'fishing' for information from Keith and Shirley two weeks later?
2. Also, can you finally admit that Mike didn't give a copy of the affidavit to anyone else that we know of in the whole 1995 and 1996. [Alan Gray obviously had it because he typed it, and he may have given a copy to Melvin, but we have no evidence that Mike gave it to anyone else until January 1997].
Thank you, kind sir.
Finally, I didn't want to bring this up, but it's been preying on my mind since your post of some weeks ago.
You referred to the suspension of Sandro Tonali as "spurious."
He bloody admitted it! He confessed to gambling on matches and took his punishment on the chin. So, what was 'spurious' about it?
When it comes to confessions (be it 'Maybrick's', Barrett's, or Tonali's) you have some very queer ideas.Last edited by rjpalmer; 09-25-2024, 08:16 PM.
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