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Originally posted by caz View PostMelvin could have got it 'out there' by sending copies to Feldman, Shirley, Keith, Robert, Doreen and every newspaper in the land and the Barretts could have done nothing about it.
Barrett's secret, non-circulating affidavit was lodged with his solicitor and would have been protected by attorney/client privilege. Melvin would have known that.
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Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post
Good Lord, Tom, you really are struggling.
We know that Mike, Alan, and Melvin knew about the secret, non-circulating confessional affidavit. Mike & Alan are the ones who created it, and Alan was taking advice from Melvin or at least keeping him in the loop. This has been established and is not in dispute.
My question is who was Mike's intended audience? What was his motive for signing it and lodging it with his solicitor?
I've already given you Keith's theory from 2018 in an earlier post. His explanation (and he can correctly me if he thinks I'm a misstating it) is that Mike made a false confession because "he hated Paul Feldman" (the owner of the visual rights) and wanted to get back at him.
I'm trying to establish the legitimacy of that hypothesis.
If this was the case, what is the evidence that Barrett circulated this allegedly bogus confession to potential film companies, or to newspapers, or to the media, etc., which certainly would have complicated Feldman's quest for a major motion picture?
There isn't any. No evidence has been provided.
Instead, you have identified an audience of one: Anne Elizabeth Graham. Which is exactly what your good friend David Barrat has argued. Again, I suggest that you chase down a copy of his dissertation.
Thus, we are faced with the bizarre fact that Barrett, with Gray's help, created a supposedly bogus confession and then released it solely to the only person in the entire world who would have personal insight into its authenticity or inauthenticity. Anne Graham.
It doesn't compute. No matter how much you wriggle, you can't make it make sense.
I used the word 'leaked' deliberately because I've seen no evidence that Barrett agreed to the release of the affidavit. Maybe he did and maybe he didn't; perhaps Stephen Ryder, if you contacted him, could clarify matters, but my assumption is that Melvin Harris released it.
Whether he had Barrett's permission, I couldn't say, but the first public airing this secret, non-circulating confessional affidavit came two years after its creation.
Those are the facts.
A might strange delay if the motivation was to harm Paul Feldman. No; whatever the motivations of Gray and Harris, Mike was clearly using the affidavit as 'leverage' over Anne, and Mike's private notes to Anne confirm this.
Would Mike have produced that affidavit, for instance, if Gray had not been advised by Harris to try and obtain one?
The fact that Mike saw an opportunity to use it to get to Anne is neither here nor there, because it was destined to fail in that mission. It made no difference to her resolve not to dance to his tune, and he had no say in who else would be allowed to read it.
Harris would have used it in January 1995, no question, in his campaign against Shirley and Feldman, had it contained damning evidence of what Mike was claiming. But I'd be surprised if Harris was not aware that an affidavit relies on the word of the person swearing it and is no substitute for proof, even if that person is of good character and not known for making things up - which could not have applied less in Mike Barrett's case. It was in fact worse than worthless to Melvin Harris in this regard, being the clearest example yet of Mike's ability to lie and lie again without compunction, shame or self-awareness. If it had contained an ounce of truth it would have been a unique document, considering its source.
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Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post
I would be shocked if anyone reading this recent series of posts genuinely thought that Barrett's infantile and surreal affidavit of January 5, 1995, was ever meant to be kept a secret.
Let's stop for a moment and think this through. How could it have gone down? How about:
Mike: I'll do an affidavit if you can promise me it will be kept absolutely secret from the world. And by 'secret' I obviously mean that common or garden term 'non-circulating'.
Gray: Oh, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. Not a soul outside of us will ever know about it because it's critical that the terrible truth of your guilt is never revealed.
Mike: I'm going to do this in order to blackmail Anne into letting me see little Caroline.
Gray: Of course, Mike, of course. Absolutely. I get it. She's evil. She wrote all of the diary text, or half of it, and Tony did the other two-thirds, I get it - so get it down on paper and I'll type it up. I'll then eat the paper you wrote it on, type it up, and then we'll put it away in a solicitor's safe and no-one will ever know about it, ever, ever, never.
Mike: That sounds great, Alan. You're such a great and trustworthy friend, you really are. I really must pay you one day.
Alan: Oh, just create and sign that affidavit, Mike, and we'll be done with it - no payment required!
Mike: That's amazing friendship, Alan.
Alan: That's what friends are for, Mike.
Mike: But will I not be immediately nicked?
Alan: No - just the opposite, you'll be fully-protected by it. We'll need lot of details, Mike, so make sure you put in all the crucial steps and provide us with the evidence.
Mike: Sure, Alan, I can do that no problem. "I did it" - there's all the evidence you need! By the way, who is this 'us' you've referred to a couple of times? Just you and me, right?
Alan: Absolutely, Mike, absolutely. Oh, and [inaudible].
Mike: Who?
Alan: [Inaudible].
Mike: I can't hear what you're saying, Alan.
Alan: Melvin Harris.
Mike: Melvin Harris. Isn't he the diary's biggest and most vocal critic? The bloke who published a book about a totally implausible candidate just as the industry's biggest seller hit the shops and appeared to try desperately to stop it ever hitting the shops because of all of that integrity he had?
Alan: Yep, that's him.
Mike: Well, surely he's got a huge vested interest in publishing any detailed confession I make and making sure that the world thinks James Maybrick's diary is a hoax?
Alan: No!
Mike: You sure about that, Alan?
Alan: Of course, Mike. He told me himself that he is all about integrity. If he had evidential proof that the diary was actually a hoax after all but he had promised not to say anything, then he'd put it away in a drawer and never mention it again.
Mike: That's a relief, I can tell you. Well, I'll tell you what, with that in mind, let's also send a copy to Maurice Chittenden of The Sunday Times, Nick Warren of Ripperama, and the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police.
Alan: Great idea, Mike. Here's a pencil, mate.
But it does pack a serious punch, for those who have allowed themselves to be fooled by Mike Barrett's woefully inept attempts to claim responsibility for the diary's existence. They twist themselves in knots to make the unworkable work for them, because the alternative is unthinkable.
Love,
Caz
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Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post
Author: Caz
08-21-2020, 09:19 AM
Hi Kattrup,
Bottom line is that Shirley and Keith did not get to see Mike's January 5th 1995 affidavit until two years later, in January 1997, when he sent Shirley a copy. This was after a version of it had reached the internet without their knowledge.
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It was "definitely out there" very quickly, yet the diary's chief researcher, Keith Skinner, didn't get wind of it until two years later, and Feldman nowhere mentioned it in his book.
Q.E.D.
The question has always been why Melvin treated it like the last roll of lavatory paper left in the shop during a chronic shortage and was afraid to use it even when he was desperate.
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Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post
Hi Ike.
What you are up against is that this tiresome trope has no feet.had nothing else to negotiate with
No one who believes the diary is a modern fake believes Barrett was trustworthy---some of us even suspect Mike had a personality disorder.
Yet--that is just the sort of bloke who would be brash enough to fake the Diary of Jack the Ripper and have enough gall to try and pawn it off in London. An unhinged pathological liar.
Palmer can see who and what Mike was, and why this would have made him supremely qualified to fake the diary and try to 'pawn it off' in London. In brief, Mike can be moved around the board like a pawn to fit the brief.
Does Palmer not think that Anne, after many years of marriage, would have seen rather more clearly than anyone else on the planet, precisely who and what Mike was by the early 1990s, and - more to the point - who and what he wasn't?
One minute, this female pawn has the 'talent' apparently needed to put her husband's audacious plan into action; the next minute she would have misplaced her sanity and gone ahead with it, only to find her right mind again after filling 63 pages with her own disguised handwriting, and realising she might just have opened Pandora's box.
Mike's sworn affidavit of 5 January 1995 is a different kettle of fish because it was not meant for public consumption. It was secret and non-circulating.
What's the point of making a bogus confession only to keep it secret?
It's very common for people going through an ugly divorce to 'dish' on one's spouse. Especially when there are children involved. One sees it all the time in the papers. It's called leverage.
It's equally common for people going through an ugly divorce to invent faults on the part of their spouse. I've been there and got the T shirt, so I know exactly what lies an ex will tell their family, friends and even the court, to make out they are the innocent victim with the genuine grievance.
I was listening to a podcast a few weeks ago where this happened. The couple was divorcing, and she wanted sole custody. So, she threatened to reveal their dirty secret: that he had been a drug pusher for years. He ended up killer her, unfortunately. What I believe is that in Anne's case, she knew Barrett was on the verge of spilling the beans, so she pulled the rug from underneath him by inventing the "in the family" provenance and coaching her elderly father to support her story.
How on earth would Anne have imagined she could pull the rug from underneath Mike, with an unprovable new provenance for the diary, if they had created it together and he could therefore have spilled the beans at any time? How would her unprovable story have trumped a single dated receipt for any of the raw materials used? How is 'on the verge' even relevant? If Anne knew he had the beans to spill, he could have lodged them already with his solicitor and given her no chance to pull the rug. Mike either had the beans from way back in 1992, or he didn't have any beans by July 1994. Anne was the only person on the planet who would have known either way. So she stood to gain nothing from an assumption that she was getting her story in first, unless she knew Mike had no provable story of his own. This is such a simple concept that Anne must surely have been capable of grasping it, even if Mike evidently struggled. If he thought his affidavit would panic her into talking to him, or letting him see Caroline, he thought wrong.
Mike's secret confessional affidavit was blackmail against Anne Graham. That, and a secondary motive of Gray trying to peddle the exclusive rights to Mike's confession.
As for Gray's attempt to peddle the exclusive rights to Mike's confession, how well did that go and who was standing in his way, apart from Melvin Harris, who was in the best position at that time to assess the worth of Mike's words?
But there's little market for a confession to having perpetrated a hoax, though there's always a market for a Jack the Ripper solution.
As a handy reminder, this was the occasion when Gray told Mike that Melvin Harris had said that: "as soon as Mike comes out, it's in the best interest of everyone to take a concise statement and all the newspapers will [take it] and at the end of it we go down together and swear it as an affidavit and that will be it nailed down, right. It will take a few hours."
What did Melvin know, eh? Did he do the research over the festive period and conclude that he had been wrong, and there was 'little market for a confession to having perpetrated a hoax'? He'd gone to all that trouble and given Mike and Gray all that grief for nothing?
What about the Hitler Diaries, with at least two very good drama documentary series to date, showing in forensic detail how it was done and how the culprit confessed? Down with that sort of thing, there's little market for it.Last edited by caz; 12-12-2024, 06:34 PM.
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Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post
Hi Mike
Chris Jones, when I talked to him briefly, was very guarded about his suspicions, but I never got that impression at all. I could be completely wrong, but I rather thought that he suspected Anne Graham, though he by no means ever said so directly.
Here is what he has written about Mike Barrett at this website, describing a long meeting he had with Mike at Christmas 2007.
"He showed [me] some pages of a book he had written based on the Ripper murders. It was clear from the numerous spelling and grammatical errors contained in the text that Barrett did not have the necessary literary skills to have personally written the Diary. Nevertheless, his obvious intelligence and vivid imagination, did suggest the possibility that while he may not have personally penned the document, he could have worked with another person(s) to have collectively produced it."
Whereas the Diary-friendly people uniformly portray Barrett as a 'mental vegetable' (their words) utterly incapable, Jones allows Barrett enough intelligence and imagination to come up with the concept, the plotting, etc. But Mike would have needed a collaborator.
In my opinion, Mike had one: Anne Graham. I can see no other rational explanation for Anne's extraordinary behavior in 1994-2001 other than she had been involved in the hoax. If she hadn't been involved, she would have gladly thrown Barrett under the bus. Barrett, by contrast, had no job and little or no income and was divorcing the family's breadwinner. That complicates your idea that Barrett would have destroyed Feldman if he could: the diary was Mike's income, his lifeline.
If Anne had been involved in the diary's creation, she'd have been asking to be thrown under the bus as a direct result of coming out with her 'in the family' story. All Mike would have needed to do was to come up with proof of where the raw materials for their hoax came from and when, and it would have been all over, with Anne's toes peeping out from under the bus. Conversely, only if she wasn't involved and knew Mike wasn't either, did she have nothing to fear from anything he might have tried to claim about faking the diary. That's cause and effect for you.
I suspect Mike had more than one reason for making his initial forgery claim, and his reasons only increased as 1994 turned into 1995. So I'm not sure it matters if one of his reasons was or wasn't to get back at Feldman. It makes little difference to the overall story and we can't in any case take Mike's word for who or what motivated him to act. If Palmer is willing to take Mike's own words into account, he need look no further than the start of the affidavit, where it is made abundantly clear that Feldman is a primary target:
'Since December 1993 I have been trying, through the press, the Publishers, the Author of the Book, Mrs Harrison, and my Agent Doreen Montgomery to expose the fraud of ' The Diary of Jack the Ripper ' ("the diary").
Nobody will believe me and in fact some very influential people in the Publishing and Film world have been doing everything to discredit me and in fact they have gone so far as to introduce a new and complete story of the original facts of the Diary and how it came to light.'
This can only be a reference to Anne's 'new and complete story', as told to Feldman and described in Shirley's 1994 paperback.
I really don't understand why anyone feels the need to look elsewhere.
Several people are genuinely at a loss to understand why anyone would look beyond Charles Allen Lechmere for Jack the Ripper. After all, he claimed he had 'discovered' the murder in Buck's Row and he was the first person at the crime scene, so why not the last person to see Nichols alive? Nobody else can be placed so close to the event, and he even used an 'alias' when telling his story to the Inquest, which is supposedly a sure sign of deliberate deception. That makes him in many eyes the prime suspect - eyes that don't feel the need to look any further. It's the same phenomenon. No matter that there is nothing known about the suspect's past to indicate a capacity for the crime, whether it's "Charles Cross" who was secretly cut out to be a serial mutilator, or "Mike Williams" and his wife, who had no previous, but had a secret penchant and aptitude for faking the diary of one.
Has anyone ever taken their own fake Monet or Picasso to the Antiques Roadshow for a valuation, or to Fake Or Fortune? to try and get it authenticated? Do people whose artwork turns out to be a fake, or at least a suspected fake, routinely get accused of painting the damned thing themselves because they used to dabble with painting by numbers and didn't want to admit it? Would their accusers feel no need to look elsewhere?
Later, Anne joined the Diary's team and Martin Fido was impressed by her talent. She went on to co-write a book on Florence Maybrick (the introduction is attributed solely to her) and was said to have been working on a second book about Victorian crime.
Occam's Razor indeed. The simplest explanation is that Mike and Anne wrote the diary without any help, and I think they would have been entirely capable.
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Two things we know to be true ,
Someone wrote a fake diary claiming James Maybrick was Jack the Ripper
James Maybrick did not write the diary.
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Originally posted by Iconoclast View PostYou asked for the evidence that showed it wasn't written by Anne and Mike, and you have cited the evidence (as you see it) that it was.
It's all in the structure of the question. I can't show you evidence that it wasn't created by Anne and Mike in the same way you can't show it wasn't created by you and I can't show the evidence it wasn't created by me.
It's really hard to show the evidence for something for which there can be no evidence to show. What would that evidence look like? A dry pen? The absence of Jack the Ripper books and books on the Maybricks? How could anyone show you that it wasn't created by Anne and Mike?
Except - of course - by showing the evidence for why it was created by someone else entirely which, funnily enough, is exactly what I seek to do.
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Here, Ike, if you feel the urge to chase it down:
Free Inquiry, The 'Miracle' at Knock by Melvin Harris, Vol. 20, Number 2, Spring 2000
It must have been around this same time, or slightly before, that I first became acquainted with the Mudbrick Hoax, because I remember noticing the name Melvin Harris and buying the issue down at a local bookstore that, alas, has long since been reincarnated as a passable Chinese restaurant. The best bookstore in town held on for dear life for another two decades but was bulldozed a couple years back. We have fallen on evil times.
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You asked for the evidence that showed it wasn't written by Anne and Mike, and you have cited the evidence (as you see it) that it was.
It's all in the structure of the question. I can't show you evidence that it wasn't created by Anne and Mike in the same way you can't show it wasn't created by you and I can't show the evidence it wasn't created by me.
It's really hard to show the evidence for something for which there can be no evidence to show. What would that evidence look like? A dry pen? The absence of Jack the Ripper books and books on the Maybricks? How could anyone show you that it wasn't created by Anne and Mike?
Except - of course - by showing the evidence for why it was created by someone else entirely which, funnily enough, is exactly what I seek to do.
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Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post
There's very little evidence that it wasn't written by Anne and Mike Barrett, yes, indeed.
If you want to quantify it, it's a similar level of evidence that it wasn't written by you, John. I assume that you know for 100% certainty that it wasn't written by you.
Now, can you prove it it wasn't?
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Originally posted by John Wheat View Post
So there's very little evidence it wasn't written by Ann and Mike Barrett then?
If you want to quantify it, it's a similar level of evidence that it wasn't written by you, John. I assume that you know for 100% certainty that it wasn't written by you.
Now, can you prove it it wasn't?
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Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post
I don't know what evidence would show it wasn't written by Anne and Mike, but - if Mike Barrett had never said a word about hoaxing it - in terms of evidence that it was written by them, we'd have:
1) The Barretts had it in their possession
2) Mike sought out a Victorian with at least twenty blank pages in March 1992, and
3) Mike was the first to identify the source of 'O costly intercourse' in the scrapbook and claimed to have the Sphere book (in his attic) from which he had found the quotation though that (that he had that specific volume in his attic) was never conclusively proven.
Anne never claimed it was hoaxed, the handwriting was not matched to either of them (or anyone else for that matter, including James Maybrick) although that Master of Disaster (Retired) Algernon Orsam pointed-out that Anne's handwriting had some small similarities in certain letter formations; the Barretts had no known pedigree in writing or in hoaxing, and there is no evidence that they needed to commit fraud to make money.
Would that have been enough to have convinced you had Mike not claimed to have hoaxed the text of the scrapbook?
I don't think it would make a great case if Mike had not confessed but I can't deny that someone could use 2) and 3), above, to at least put the cat amongst the pigeons.
Obviously, Mike Barrett was his own 'someone': his claims of 1994 onwards put the entire cattery into the pigeon coop and it's been something of a pantomime ever since. I personally cannot create a scenario in my head where the Barretts dunnit, but I can well understand why so many people can, and that's a shame because the scrapbook was either written by James Maybrick who was Jack the Ripper or else by a highly creative hoaxer who went out of their way to make their hoax look superficially quite facile and I'd really like to know who that was and buy them a pint.
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Originally posted by John Wheat View PostIs there actually any evidence the diary wasn't written by Ann and Mike Barrett?
1) The Barretts had it in their possession
2) Mike sought out a Victorian with at least twenty blank pages in March 1992, and
3) Mike was the first to identify the source of 'O costly intercourse' in the scrapbook and claimed to have the Sphere book (in his attic) from which he had found the quotation though that (that he had that specific volume in his attic) was never conclusively proven.
Anne never claimed it was hoaxed, the handwriting was not matched to either of them (or anyone else for that matter, including James Maybrick) although that Master of Disaster (Retired) Algernon Orsam pointed-out that Anne's handwriting had some small similarities in certain letter formations; the Barretts had no known pedigree in writing or in hoaxing, and there is no evidence that they needed to commit fraud to make money.
Would that have been enough to have convinced you had Mike not claimed to have hoaxed the text of the scrapbook?
I don't think it would make a great case if Mike had not confessed but I can't deny that someone could use 2) and 3), above, to at least put the cat amongst the pigeons.
Obviously, Mike Barrett was his own 'someone': his claims of 1994 onwards put the entire cattery into the pigeon coop and it's been something of a pantomime ever since. I personally cannot create a scenario in my head where the Barretts dunnit, but I can well understand why so many people can, and that's a shame because the scrapbook was either written by James Maybrick who was Jack the Ripper or else by a highly creative hoaxer who went out of their way to make their hoax look superficially quite facile and I'd really like to know who that was and buy them a pint.
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