The Diary—Old Hoax or New?

[John Wheat]

In this game of debate, I show you reasons why they are genuine, and you show us your reasons as to why they are not.

You should understand that basic concept unless your debating skills ended at pre-school.

I'm just trying to educate the foolish.

[erobitha]

Because they were forged by someone they are not genuine. By the way you have shown no reasons why they are genuine to me atleast.

You clearly think the Barretts wrote the diary (they didn't) so who do you think "forged" the scratches? Robbie or Albert Johnson?

If so, one very simple question, why?

[John Wheat]

In this game of debate, I show you reasons why they are genuine, and you show us your reasons as to why they are not.

You should understand that basic concept unless your debating skills ended at pre-school.

Because they were forged by someone they are not genuine. By the way you have shown no reasons why they are genuine to me atleast.

[erobitha]

But the watch markings are not genuine. So you're wrong on all levels.

In this game of debate, I show you reasons why they are genuine, and you show us your reasons as to why they are not.

You should understand that basic concept unless your debating skills ended at pre-school.

[John Wheat]

It's those depths of the debate you go to that really win people over.

If I believed you genuinely wanted to discuss the watch for one second, I would, but your only ambition is posting one-liners of nonsense.

You might enjoy the art of trolling, but I have faith that people with more critical thinking than you can present an open mind for discussion. Right now, you sound like a demented Parrott offering nothing of any value.

But the watch markings are not genuine. So you're wrong on all levels.

[Iconoclast]

It is interesting to take some time away from the debate and then return to it. I see Owly Owl maintaining a very creditable calmness in the face of the child’s one-liners (have you ever noticed how a child is absolutely incapable of taking a hint?) and ero b’s more strident - but utterly logical - defence of the watch despite The Baron’s boring, tunnel-visioned (just like drainpipes one might say) pursuit of the unproven as God’s Truth.

Obviously, I will be accused of bias here, but I couldn’t give a **** - the clickbait wind-ups and the cut and paste one liners give themselves away time and time again. Dilettantes.

Ike

[erobitha]

Said the one who spent his time defending a proven hoax


The Baron

Proven by who? Certainly not you. Orsam? RJ?

Do better.

[erobitha]

But you know it was not Maybrick, you know he couldn't have written "Bumbling Buffoon" because you yourself spent hours and days trying desperately to find a single damn example from the 19the century of the phrase and you failed, admit it if you have the courage.


The Baron

You're right. I slaved over it for months. Years. Decades.

Well, a couple of hours at least. I did find Babbling Buffoon from the 1850s, so the suggestion that it would have been impossible for Bumbling Buffoon to be used in everyday language (bearing in mind spoken language materialises long before the written word), I do not believe it to be impossible.

You need not question my courage. The sheer fact I even declare myself a Maybrickian despite the vitriol such a position invites by doing so is all you need to know about my character.

My main issue with the scrapbook lies with the handwriting. I cannot hang my hat on the K in the watch as a near-perfect example of Maybrick's handwriting, only to abandon such clarity when comparing the diary text, which does not match. I accept the argument made by others that it might not be his formal hand as a possibility, and I remain open to that possibility.

[The Baron]

Right now, you sound like a demented Parrott offering nothing of any value.

Said the one who spent his time defending a proven hoax


The Baron

[The Baron]

I don't know who wrote the diary

But you know it was not Maybrick, you know he couldn't have written "Bumbling Buffoon" because you yourself spent hours and days trying desperately to find a single damn example from the 19the century of the phrase and you failed, admit it if you have the courage.


The Baron

[erobitha]

The Watch is no more the real deal than the diary.

It's those depths of the debate you go to that really win people over.

If I believed you genuinely wanted to discuss the watch for one second, I would, but your only ambition is posting one-liners of nonsense.

You might enjoy the art of trolling, but I have faith that people with more critical thinking than you can present an open mind for discussion. Right now, you sound like a demented Parrott offering nothing of any value.

[John Wheat]

I don't know who wrote the diary, but I sure as hell believe Maybrick scratched his name into the watch. The evidence is pretty compelling, even if you do not want to accept it.

The Watch is no more the real deal than the diary.

[John Wheat]

He's right.

I know the Baron's right.

[erobitha]

You might want to try living in the real World. Where Maybrick was not the Ripper and the Barretts wrote the diary.

I don't know who wrote the diary, but I sure as hell believe Maybrick scratched his name into the watch. The evidence is pretty compelling, even if you do not want to accept it.

[John Wheat]

The most ill-informed post here!


The Baron

Absolutely Baron but Owly believes he's well informed but as they say ignorance is bliss.