Inspiration for the Fake 'Diary'

[Trevor Marriott]

And thus speaks the the charlatan, the know nothing, the joke, the buffoon of Ripperology.

People have been banned for saying less on here but I am not vindictive I wont be making a complaint.

In the months ahead I think you will firmly regret making that statement.

Sometimes is good to play the fool but you should never underestimate one especially an experienced one

[PaulB]

I just wonder which controversial issue you will pop up next in. Dont tell me let me guess . You were holidaying at the seaside home when the police brought Kosminski in.

And thus speaks the the charlatan, the know nothing, the joke, the buffoon of Ripperology.

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,

Perhaps I am being crudely innocent here, but am left with the following observations-

1) Unless, out of the blue, person X or persons X and Y and Z speaks up without libelling named others involved in the Diary business, no-one will know for certain one way or another what the truth of the diary origins, developement etc will be
known. If, for example, a person now deceased was involved, then unless proof can be attached to that person's involvement is brought to light undes the promise of non- investigation or legal threat in any form, then this subject is a dead end. There has been, sadly, too much dishonesty in Ripperology anyway without more dragging this monster to light of day without honesty to bring the subject forward.


2) The Diary represents, for me personally at least, a period
of real and unrivaled accusation and counter accusation resulting in unparalelled venom within Ripperology. All because of dishonesty. It doesnt need bringing to the fore WITHOUT meaningful honesty attached. I fear it will, like other issues in this genre, never happen. Perhaps simply because the courage to reveal just isnt there. Perhaps ego. Perhaps to be seen as having been dishonest has issues that cannot be contemplated by a person. I don't know. I suspect some know much more than they can, or will say. But when the concience is questioned, it takes an honesty on another level to open up. I dont know. All I do know is that hoaxes, false claims and conning people is unbearably tiring to endure after a while. I'd love to see, for example, a refreshingly honest, perhaps anonymous, article produced in this genre which would advance instead of confuse this genre further. I fear it will never happen, sadly.

3) The Diary subject should just be left as it is so that it doesnt cause a repeat of the venom spitting anger of the 1990's to rear up again. We have had enough of circular debate as it is without The Diary again. We are only left with guesswork anyway.

Just my thoughts.

Best wishes

Phil

[Phil Carter]

To Phil Carter

No, I mean the book, 'The Making of BigFoot" is a terrific source.

Hello Jonathan,

thank you for the clarificaton,

best wishes

Phil

[Jonathan H]

To Michael

Thanks.

To Phil Carter

No, I mean the book, 'The Making of BigFoot" is a terrific source.

[Monty]

Oh Dear.




Monty

[Trevor Marriott]

No, Trevor, I won't. I won't even bother giving you the time of day in future. You can wallow in your ignorance.

I just wonder which controversial issue you will pop up next in. Dont tell me let me guess . You were holidaying at the seaside home when the police brought Kosminski in.

[Phil Carter]

As far as a harmless, somewhat profitable hoax goes which we can all agree is an hoax this is a terrific source, and in a peculiar way unexpectedly touching as the enterprizing cowboy-hustler who came up with the suit and the video and so on, was dying:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Making-Big.../dp/1591021391

Hello Jonathan,

In which case ALL hoaxes are "terrific sources"?

My oh my that makes Ripperology quite a source pond- full of hoaxes and falsities...

Are these sources "reliable" though especially if they are built on lies? Absolutely not!

best wishes

Phil

[PaulB]

[1) and 2) added by me for clarity in the above]

1) I assume he wasn't drunk 24 hours a day.
2) Your question to Paul is disgraceful and should be removed from the Casebook.

Actually, can we let the question stay and remove Trevor from Casebook? Please.

[PaulB]

You and me both but I am sure Paul will enlighten us

No, Trevor, I won't. I won't even bother giving you the time of day in future. You can wallow in your ignorance.

[PaulB]

And so a drunken man in the state you describe goes into a solicitors and with great detail describes the events surrounding a forgery. Come on !

This is the second controverial Ripper issue you have been "personally" involved in where the question of "who was responsible for the writing of " has been brought into question

How coincidental is that and they say lightning doesnt strike twice in the same place.

Just to make it clear I am not inferring or suggesting anyhting untoward I am simply stating fact.

One simple question Paul

Did you help Barrett write the draft to take to the solicitor ?

Okay, Trevor, I could be rude but you really aren't important enough to merit it, so go away and play detective.

[The Good Michael]

And your evidence? (Or is the requirement for that one-sided also?)

Evidence? It's all there.

Mike

[Soothsayer]

Jonathan,

An excellent parallel. Both hoaxes are harmless. Both seem to me to be transparent, and yet many believed in them. It's because of desire to believe and evidence as a secondary concept.

Mike

Simply drawing a parallel is some great distance from also drawing a conclusion, of course.

Perhaps there is more in your desire to disbelieve than you are acknowledging ...

And your evidence? (Or is the requirement for that one-sided also?)

[The Good Michael]

Jonathan,

An excellent parallel. Both hoaxes are harmless. Both seem to me to be transparent, and yet many believed in them. It's because of desire to believe and evidence as a secondary concept.

Mike

[Jonathan H]

As far as a harmless, somewhat profitable hoax goes which we can all agree is an hoax this is a terrific source, and in a peculiar way unexpectedly touching as the enterprizing cowboy-hustler who came up with the suit and the video and so on, was dying:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Making-Bigfoot-Inside-Story/dp/1591021391