Lets get Lechmere off the hook!

[Geddy2112]

take it to creative writing section

I'm really struggling to understand what The Baron is trying to achieve here or if he has been hacked aby an A.I. Bot...

[Fiver]

Let's be fair here, the murder probably happened around 3:30am when mumblings was heard, a train was passing and it spooked the real killer. He was long gone before Cross got there about 3:40 am.
Common sense seems to be rare in some quarters.

3:30am is the most likely time, but all we can say for certain is that Nichols was murdered some time between about 3:15am (the last time PC Neil passed through Buck's Row) and about 3:40am when Cross and Paul found her.

[Fiver]

A Tale of Two Mice

And with that, Gouda was left alone to finish his cheese. He savored each bite, glancing around with a satisfied smirk. "Running... what a rookie move," he chuckled to himself, nibbling away in peaceful delight.

The Baron

"It was quite possible for anybody to have escaped through Brady-street or into Whitechapel-road, or through a passage in Queen's-buildings.' - PC Neil, Cambridge Evening News - Mon, Sep 03, 1888

[Geddy2112]

Some belters from YouTube land today... this is what 'we' are up against...

do you know on the night of the double murder he was interviewed by a news paper and gace his name az cross to the reporter he was right there yet again when the first body was discovered . his excuse was he was there visiting his mother who lived just round the corner. He did it

Does anyone have the newspaper article this chap is referring too? I've read all the newspapers I could on Cross and never seen one where he spoke to a reporter on the night of the double event saying he was at his mam's. Hope there is because that would be another example of him using the name Cross...

He didn't go out there to check, and the door blade would have obscured Chapmans body.

Even though it's some 7 rows of bricks off the ground, imperial bricks were on average 70mm or 2.75 inches, so poor Annie's head would have had to be at least 19.3 inches high/wide to hit the bottom of the door. When I tried to explain this I got...

Of course the door blade would have obscured Chapman if Richardson was standing up and looking towards the cellar. Undoubtedly. Even if he was sitting on a step cutting leather from his boot it still would have. The door was spring self closing. You cannot sit directly facing outwards on a step cutting leather when there is a spring self closing door. You'd have to sit at an angle, likely on the corner area of the step, again facing towards the cellar. Richardson wouldn't have been able to see Chapman body from that position either, with the door blade in the way.

It appears from the photos the door is rather not self closing and how on earth anyone sitting on those steps could not see a dead mutilated woman right there in the morning light is beyond me.

In my view, Lechmere is the best suspect and in fact the only suspect who can actually be placed at any of the crime scenes by someone else, as he was lingering alone and acting suspiciously right next to the body of Polly Nichols at or very very close to the time of death.

The above 'lingering and acting suspiciously' has been repeated at least a dozen times and every time I ask the fella who saw him lingering and acting suspiciously or where it is written in any testimonies I get nothing in reply, funny that.

YouTube land, it's a chuckle a minute in the comments section...

[Lewis C]

Some belters from YouTube land today... this is what 'we' are up against...

Does anyone have the newspaper article this chap is referring too? I've read all the newspapers I could on Cross and never seen one where he spoke to a reporter on the night of the double event saying he was at his mam's. Hope there is because that would be another example of him using the name Cross...

I'm pretty sure that if there were such a newspaper article, we would have heard about it from Ed and Christer.

It appears from the photos the door is rather not self closing and how on earth anyone sitting on those steps could not see a dead mutilated woman right there in the morning light is beyond me.

When John Davis discovered the body, the door was open, so no, it wasn't self closing.

[Herlock Sholmes]

What’s going on?

[JeffHamm]

I'm pretty sure that if there were such a newspaper article, we would have heard about it from Ed and Christer.



When John Davis discovered the body, the door was open, so no, it wasn't self closing.

Hi Lewis C,

John Davis states at the inquest that the back door was closed but the front door to the street was wide open. Here's the portion from the inquest that covers this:

[Coroner] When you went into the yard on Saturday morning was the yard door open or shut? - I found it shut. I cannot say whether it was latched - I cannot remember. I have been too much upset. The front street door was wide open and thrown against the wall. I was not surprised to find the front door open, as it was not unusual. I opened the back door, and stood in the entrance.

- Jeff

[Kattrup]

When John Davis discovered the body, the door was open, so no, it wasn't self closing.

Actually, it was.
It was the door to the street that was open, which was not unusual (but of course points to someone leaving in a hurry)

John Richardson at the inquest:
When I had cut the piece of leather off my boot I tied my boot up and went out of the house to the market. I did not close the back door ; it closes itself. I closed the front door.

[The Baron]

The Birmingham Post - Tuesday, September 04, 1888

“He left his home at half-past three on Friday morning, and passed through Brady Street and Buck's Row. When he got near the gateway of the wool warehouse in Buck's Row, at about a quarter to four, he saw the figure of a woman on the opposite side of the road.”


I swear, I’m talking about one suspect, and the lot are busy chasing some random guy who probably couldn’t even tie his own shoelaces, let alone commit a murder...

Lechmere didn’t say he left his house around 3:30 AM, or maybe 3:30, or close to 3:30, or ‘give or take a few minutes.’ NO, NO, NO, Lechmere explicitly said he LEFT HIS HOUSE AT 3:30 AM. Not 3:29, not 3:31, but 3:30. 3:30. He didn’t say “well, it could’ve been 3:20 or 4:00” he said it was 3:30. Not ‘approximately 3:30,’ not ‘probably around 3:30,’ but EXACTLY 3:30. Like it’s the most precise thing in the world. It’s like Lechmere had a built in GPS that beeped at him and said, ‘Hey, it’s 3:30 AM, time to leave!’ But sure, let’s ignore that and pretend that doesn’t matter.

After he leaves his house AT 3:30, he strolls through Brady Street and Bucks Row, and by 3:45, he sees the woman by the wool warehouse. And what do we have here? We’ve got an 8-MINUTE GAP. 8 WHOLE MINUTES. Unaccounted for.

You know what you can do in 8 minutes? You can rob a bank, you can take a nap, you can boil an egg. Eight minutes of complete radio silence. Eight minutes of what exactly? Staring at the stars? Doing a warm up lap? Learning to juggle? Eight minutes, just enough time to kill someone, But no, no, no, let’s all close our eyes and pretend those eight minutes don’t exist. Let’s just ignore that Lechmere’s exact words were that he left his house at 3:30. Like it’s some kind of myth or fairy tale. Maybe we’ll say Bigfoot did it instead! Or maybe Jack the Ripper was just a figment of our imagination, and the murder was an accident caused by time traveling pigeons. I mean, we’re clearly not interested in facts here.

3:30. Did you get that? 3:30 AM. Lechmere explicitly said it. 3:30. It’s so simple, anyone can understand it. 3:30. Not ‘around 3:30’, not ‘sort of 3:30,’ but precisely 3:30. Pretending that doesn’t matter is willfully ignoring the facts staring you in the face. 3:30. He left at 3:30. Do I need to say it again? Lechmere left at 3:30. Not 3:29. Not 3:31. He didn’t say, ‘Maybe 3:30-ish.’ He said 3:30. Exactly 3:30. That’s not hard to comprehend. If you can’t get that then I don’t know what to tell you. But feel free to keep pretending it was Bigfoot, because that’ll get us real far.



The Baron

[Geddy2112]

John Richardson at the inquest:
When I had cut the piece of leather off my boot I tied my boot up and went out of the house to the market. I did not close the back door ; it closes itself. I closed the front door.

Indeed, but from the pictures it's clear it does not self close and the YouTube poster said it was covering Annie's body. So surely that means if he had to open the door it would have cracked her across the head? Something does not add up here...

[Geddy2112]

I'm pretty sure that if there were such a newspaper article, we would have heard about it from Ed and Christer.

Oh no they would not tell us, as I say that would mean he used the name Cross in 'everyday life.' They do not want that.. and it will be a minus one on the 12000 known documents that has his signature on etc.

[Geddy2112]

The Birmingham Post - Tuesday, September 04, 1888
“He left his home at half-past three on Friday morning, and passed through Brady Street and Buck's Row. When he got near the gateway of the wool warehouse in Buck's Row, at about a quarter to four, he saw the figure of a woman on the opposite side of the road.”

Ah goody, pleased you have posted that. You do know, using simple Pythagoras Theory that the Wool Warehouse is 61 feet away from where Polly lay. SO if he crossed the road on that diagonal, I'm presuming most would, then at the middle of the road he was 30 feet or 10 yards away from the body when he heard Robert Paul and turned back to go towards him.

He walked into the middle of the road, and saw that it was the figure of a woman. He then heard the footsteps of a man going up Buck's-row, about forty yards away, in the direction that he himself had come from. When he came up witness said to him, "Come and look over here; there is a woman lying on the pavement." They both crossed over to the body

So basic maths proves to us Charles Cross was never closer than 10 yards from the body alone. Case closed, not guilty... AGAIN.

[Kattrup]

Indeed, but from the pictures it's clear it does not self close

How is it clear? The picture is much later. In 1888, the door closed on its own.

[Geddy2112]

How is it clear? The picture is much later. In 1888, the door closed on its own.

OK, but like I said then for the YouTuber to be correct then when he opened it the door would surely have had to whack against her head if as he claims the door obscured his vision of the body when opened.

[Kattrup]

OK, but like I said then for the YouTuber to be correct then when he opened it the door would surely have had to whack against her head if as he claims the door obscured his vision of the body when opened.

I don’t follow….some youtube comment that is clearly wrong is wrong. So what? I just commented on the claim that the door was not self closing. It was.
It wouldn’t have touched her, Richardson had a clear view and stated the body was not there, and had the special attention of the police examining his story. Which was accepted. This means she was killed after Richardson left.