Lets get Lechmere off the hook!

[rjpalmer]

To quote our old friend Melville Macnaghten, "I think I can discern the stained forefinger of the journalist."

Happy New Year.

[John Wheat]

Can someone find me an example on here of a poster diagnosing 'bad taste' in connection with anyone else being named as a murder suspect, Ripper or otherwise? Maybrick? Sickert? Prince Eddy? Sir William Gull? Dr Barnardo? The Zodiac suspects? The real Boston Strangler? Anyone at all, ever? I'd be delighted to examine the complete collection.

Thanks.

M.

I think it's in bad taste to accuse someone of murder with no evidence. Therefore in my opinion it is in bad taste to accuse Maybrick, Sickert, Prince Eddy, Sir William Gull or Dr Barnardo of murder.

[The Baron]

It is fascinating that ‘bad taste’ suddenly becomes the rallying cry when Lechmere is mentioned.

Are we pretending Ripperology has ever been a tasteful pursuit? This is a field where speculation is the currency, and no theory is too absurd to entertain.

If you are trying to gatekeep bad taste in Ripperology, you might want to shut the gates a century too late.



The Baron

[Geddy2112]

[B]
The often repeated myth that serial killers don't kill on their route to work is factually invalid.

You have missed the vital part of the 'myth' out. Did all those killers kill someone 20 or so mins before clocking on with a good distance still yet to WALK to work? No didn't think so...

[Geddy2112]

I thought you think that Kosminski was the Ripper? Now you seem to think Cross was the Ripper. You can't believe they were both the Ripper so who do you think was the Ripper? Cross or Kosminski?

Crossminski... let him hang!

[John Wheat]

It is fascinating that ‘bad taste’ suddenly becomes the rallying cry when Lechmere is mentioned.

Are we pretending Ripperology has ever been a tasteful pursuit? This is a field where speculation is the currency, and no theory is too absurd to entertain.

If you are trying to gatekeep bad taste in Ripperology, you might want to shut the gates a century too late.



The Baron

The best suspects though are proven violent murderers eg Bury and Kelly and they are fair game as far as I am concerned.

[The Baron]

Who needs speculation when we can just go straight to the violent criminals’ roster, right?

Next up: suspecting anyone who’s ever been involved in a fistfight, just in case we’re missing the obvious answer.

It’s almost as if we’re playing ‘Guess the Ripper’ bingo and looking for the most obvious suspects possible.




The Baron

[Geddy2112]

And look at all these Carmen, covered in blood from delivering meat... oh wait a bit...

[Geddy2112]

Then we have the butcher shops, all those bloody aprons... /sarcasm...

[Herlock Sholmes]

To quote our old friend Melville Macnaghten, "I think I can discern the stained forefinger of the journalist."

Happy New Year.

As you know Roger, I’ve always thought that Mac gets a lot of unfair stick. He knew what he was talking about. As do you.

[Herlock Sholmes]

The best suspects though are proven violent murderers eg Bury and Kelly and they are fair game as far as I am concerned.

They are the first people that the police would have looked at had they been aware of the presence of that ‘type’ of person in the area John. How many people do we know who killed and mutilated a woman? It’s not something that everyone could or would do. It makes a person exceptional; a horrible rarity. So we are looking for an ‘exceptional’ type of person and a just such an ‘exceptional’ type of person was living in nearby Bow. It’s hardly a leap of faith is it or do we dismiss Bury because he’s too obviously a candidate? Another question that is regularly asked is why the murders ceased? And here Bury ticks another box. I’d never suggest that Bury was the ripper but when we compare all of the named suspects how can he possibly not rank in the top 2 or 3 at least? How can a man who has nothing going for him apart from his presence when finding the body be put on a par?

[John Wheat]

Who needs speculation when we can just go straight to the violent criminals’ roster, right?

Next up: suspecting anyone who’s ever been involved in a fistfight, just in case we’re missing the obvious answer.

It’s almost as if we’re playing ‘Guess the Ripper’ bingo and looking for the most obvious suspects possible.




The Baron

Ridiculous post. Don't agree with what you are saying at all. Totally illogical.

[John Wheat]

They are the first people that the police would have looked at had they been aware of the presence of that ‘type’ of person in the area John. How many people do we know who killed and mutilated a woman? It’s not something that everyone could or would do. It makes a person exceptional; a horrible rarity. So we are looking for an ‘exceptional’ type of person and a just such an ‘exceptional’ type of person was living in nearby Bow. It’s hardly a leap of faith is it or do we dismiss Bury because he’s too obviously a candidate? Another question that is regularly asked is why the murders ceased? And here Bury ticks another box. I’d never suggest that Bury was the ripper but when we compare all of the named suspects how can he possibly not rank in the top 2 or 3 at least? How can a man who has nothing going for him apart from his presence when finding the body be put on a par?

Hi Herlock

It's completely and utterly illogical isn't it?

Cheers John

[Mark J D]

Then we have the butcher shops, all those bloody aprons... /sarcasm...

Yes. I'm sure that everything about those two shops and their staff looked exactly like that, all the time.

M.

[GBinOz]

They are the first people that the police would have looked at had they been aware of the presence of that ‘type’ of person in the area John. How many people do we know who killed and mutilated a woman? It’s not something that everyone could or would do. It makes a person exceptional; a horrible rarity. So we are looking for an ‘exceptional’ type of person and a just such an ‘exceptional’ type of person was living in nearby Bow. It’s hardly a leap of faith is it or do we dismiss Bury because he’s too obviously a candidate? Another question that is regularly asked is why the murders ceased? And here Bury ticks another box. I’d never suggest that Bury was the ripper but when we compare all of the named suspects how can he possibly not rank in the top 2 or 3 at least? How can a man who has nothing going for him apart from his presence when finding the body be put on a par?

Hi Herlock,

As is often the case, we are polar opposite in our opinions on this subject. JtR murdered his victims without coming to the notice of the police, so murdering and mutilating his wife and turning himself into the police fails to fit the profile. I see nothing exceptional about Bury. He was a drunken little no-hoper that married a woman to secure access to her inheritance, and disposed of her when he had squandered that inheritance and she had outlived her usefulness. He was the type of person that our American cousins would describe as a dime a dozen on any street corner - brainless and heartless. He is only obvious in that he fulfils the need to endlessly and interminably re-examine named suspects while the actual perpetrator buries himself in obscurity. Sorry for the rant my friend. I guess there was just one too many "there is no evidence against anyone but Bury".

Cheers, George