All roads lead to Lechmere.

[Abby Normal]

wow i didnt know that about Stow/Butler. maybe evil runs in the family (if lech was guilty of course).

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Christ, could this get any worse?

I actually got on well with Sue face to face, and found her very friendly.

What a pair of losers.

Are you responding to my # 301?

[Dickere]

Eddy Butler is no Martin Fido.

From what I understand his long time partner in racist hate, fellow former BNP member Susan Clapp, is the great-great granddaughter of Charles Lechmere.

JM

Maybe there's a family tradition of getting the Clapp then. That would anger a man.

Round of applause, a standing ovation ?

[caz]

Christ, could this get any worse?

I actually got on well with Sue face to face, and found her very friendly.

What a pair of losers.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

That may be the key - fictional serial killers are bold, clever, witty, powerful, dangerous, and in control - all the things fascists like to pretend they are.

You mean Stow really is a Lechmere Lover and not, as I thought, a Lechmere Hater?

[Fiver]

I suspect it has to be his personal connection to Lechmere. It may sound utterly perverse and horribly egotistical, but it has happened before, for example with the swiftly forgotten Uncle Jack.

If I'm on the right track, and if Stow finds some moronic pleasure in the thought of just a few degrees of separation between himself and the ripper, then Kosminski would have to be the last man he would 'champion' as Jack.

Twisted, I know.

Love,

Caz
X

That may be the key - fictional serial killers are bold, clever, witty, powerful, dangerous, and in control - all the things fascists like to pretend they are.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Eddy Butler is no Martin Fido.

From what I understand his long time partner in racist hate, fellow former BNP member Susan Clapp, is the great-great granddaughter of Charles Lechmere.

JM

That explains why when Susan Clapp and another follower of Stow were baiting me with crude insults and insinuations of paedophilia, Stow refused to condemn them.

I didn't realise I was asking him to denounce his own wife!

After all, it's not like asking him to accuse one of his wife's ancestors of being a murderer.

[jmenges]

Eddy Butler is no Martin Fido.

From what I understand his long time partner in racist hate, fellow former BNP member Susan Clapp, is the great-great granddaughter of Charles Lechmere.

JM

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Have you heard of Combat 18?



Eddy Butler leads a Combat 18 group to a BNP meeting in Bethnal Green in April 1992. Source: “White Riot: The Violent Story of Combat 18” by Nick Lowles (Milo Books, 2001)

I have indeed.

That's almost like reading that Martin Fido had been a member of the SS.


Combat 18 (C18) is a neo-Nazi organisation associated with Blood and Honour, the BNP and the National Front. It originated in the United Kingdom, but has since spread to other countries. Members of Combat 18 have been suspected in numerous deaths of immigrants, non-whites, and other C18 members.^[1] The 18 in its name is derived from the initials of Adolf Hitler: A and H are the first and eighth letters of the Latin alphabet. Combat 18 members are barred from joining the British Prison Service^[2] and police.^[3]

http://dictionary.sensagent.com/COMBAT%2018/en-en/

[Ally]

I mean, I can't think why he would be in court - presumably, someone who was a prominent member of the National Front and British National Party isn't the kind of person who would ever get involved in anything violent...

Have you heard of Combat 18?



Eddy Butler leads a Combat 18 group to a BNP meeting in Bethnal Green in April 1992. Source: “White Riot: The Violent Story of Combat 18” by Nick Lowles (Milo Books, 2001)

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I suspect it has to be his personal connection to Lechmere. It may sound utterly perverse and horribly egotistical, but it has happened before, for example with the swiftly forgotten Uncle Jack.

If I'm on the right track, and if Stow finds some moronic pleasure in the thought of just a few degrees of separation between himself and the ripper, then Kosminski would have to be the last man he would 'champion' as Jack.

Twisted, I know.

Love,

Caz
X

Sorry, but I didn't get the reference to Uncle Jack.

Yes; I agree that it seems to be beyond coincidence that Butler/Stow has targeted one of his in-laws, so to speak.

[caz]

I suspect it has to be his personal connection to Lechmere. It may sound utterly perverse and horribly egotistical, but it has happened before, for example with the swiftly forgotten Uncle Jack.

If I'm on the right track, and if Stow finds some moronic pleasure in the thought of just a few degrees of separation between himself and the ripper, then Kosminski would have to be the last man he would 'champion' as Jack.

Twisted, I know.

Love,

Caz
X

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I was linking his politics to showcase he's a gibbering moron and therefore, unlikely to be able to come up with a cogent argument to support his theory.

Butler was a leader of the BNP. Butler is a fascist. Fascists aren't known for keen insight, analysis and processing ability.

Well, well.

I did read a hint on another thread a few hours ago that Stow might not be his real name and now I see why.

It does explain a lot.

It isn't normal for historians or researchers to accuse someone of ignorance and malice, as he did to me.

I am aware that one member here accused me of playing the victim when I was accused of being ignorant by members here.

Maybe he thinks the way Stow behaves is all right.

I wonder whether he changed his name legally.

I keep hearing his followers - I mean believers - accusing Lechmere of having no right to call himself Cross without having changed his name legally.

What would they say if Edward Stow testified in court under that name?

I mean, I can't think why he would be in court - presumably, someone who was a prominent member of the National Front and British National Party isn't the kind of person who would ever get involved in anything violent, and I wouldn't dream of suggesting that he would use that name in a court case - but isn't there a delicious irony in Stow's accusations against Lechmere being based partly on his use of a name with which he wasn't born?

The only thing that surprises me is his choice of victim: I would have expected him to go for Kosminski rather than Lechmere.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Bit harsh when only trying to help imho

It's okay to call someone clueless?

[paul g]

Bit harsh when only trying to help imho