Originally posted by The Baron
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Fisherman:
He just happened to find Nichols.
Everyone who finds a body ‘just happens to find a body.’
She just happened to bleed for many minutes after he left her.
How do you know how long she bled for? You don’t know when she was killed.
She just happened to be the only Ripper victim with the damage hidden by the clothing.
She was the only one called Polly Nichols too. Can you find anything more irrelevant.
Paul just happened to arrive at the perfect moment to supply an alibi.
Unless you’re suggesting that Cross somehow planned this then you’ve just made yet another glaringly pointless point. Can’t you see this Baron? Everyone else can.
He just happened not to see or hear Lechmere, 30 or 40 yards in front of himself.
Cross had no control over that either. Do you know how loud Paul’s footsteps were? Do you know how good Cross’s hearing was?
Lechmere just happened to feel and touch the body of Nichols - and he just happened to decline to help prop her up when Paul suggested it.
Now, in a previous post you admitted and accepted that we get different versions of this because in another paper it says that Paul refused to prop her up. Now you are becoming a true Lechmerian. You are doctoring evidence. Fisherman and Stow would be proud of you.
He just happened to disagree about having told Mizen that a second PC was in place in Bucks Row.
So when two people disagree you assume a lie?You also assume which one was right.
He just happened to disagreee with Mizen about whether or not he told the PC that it was a grave errand.
What are you talking about?
He just happened to leave out that he was the finder himself when speaking to Mizen.
They told Mizen that there was a woman lying in Bucks Row. How could it matter to Mizen which one of the two had actually found the body. This is the worst kind of desperation just to increase your number of ‘points.’
He just happened to traverse the exact small area where the Spitalfields murders took place.
Because that’s where he lived and worked. If the murders had occurred in the West End and Cross had been discovered there at the time of one of the murders then that would have been interesting. Your point isn’t in the slightest.
He just happened to have all sorts of links to the exact area where Stride died.
He was a local man. Is it an unknown fact that serial killers only kill at locations where they have links to? Someone forgot to tell Peter Sutcliffe and Ted Bundy and…well, most serial killers actually.
He just happened to use the name Cross with the police and inquest, whereas he otherwise ALWAYS used Lechmere in any contacts with the authorities.
You can’t prove that. In another post you mentioned the carriage accident as involving Cross. So that negates your point straight away. If he’d gained some advantage from using the name Cross then you might have had a point. But he didn’t…so you don’t.
He just happened to give a departure time that should have seen him halfways down Hanbury Street at 3.40, not to speak of 3.45.
Cross gave an APPROXIMATE time. So if he left the house at say 3.32 he gets to Bucks Row around 3.40 which is when the body was found…not at 3.45. This is another bit of Fisherman evidence twisting for the terminally gullible.
He just happened to surface at the second day of the inquest - after Pauls interview in Lloyds
And your point is? He turned up. That’s all that matters.
- To add to this excellent list of Fisherman…that you said were all nonsense.
It just happened that he was spotted alone in the dark near a freshly killed woman
Because he’d found a body. People who find bodies are always near that body at some point unless you would have expected him to have found the body from 200 yards away using ‘night sight’ binoculars?
It just happened that Paul detected what he thought a faint breath
And?
It just happened that he didn't tell Mizen that the woman looked as if she was outraged
And? Neither did Paul either. Was he the ripper too?
It just happened that while they were by the body he heard a policeman coming and left the scene
That you mention this is utterly contemptible. You’ve taken one press report that was clearly in error and ignored the inquest reports. Are there no depths that you won’t stoop to Baron. I suppose not now that you are in league with Fisherman and Von Stow.
It just happen that his true name remained unknown for more than 100 years
Might have something to do with no one looking into it until 100 years later. Please come back if you have something relevant.
It just happened that he didn't notice any blood or the wide open eyes
Neither did Paul. Was he the ripper too.
It just happened that he was involved in an accedent that killed a boy
A) so people who are involved in accidents are more likely to be murderers. It’s a new one on me. And B) under the name of…..Cross![Lol](https://forum.casebook.org/core/images/smilies/clipart/lol.gif)
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It just happened that he chose to wait and look at the body and wait for Paul and take him to examine the woman, even though he was behind time
Are you really trying to make this huge point for his innocence into a point for his guilt? Surely not? I’m not even going to explain why that’s a joke.
It just happened that he didn't dress up for the inquest
It was an inquest…not a dinner dance at Downton Abbey. Not one single person has been able to explain what is suspicious about his wearing his work clothes to an inquest. I bet PC’s Mizen, Thain and Neill were wearing their work clothes too. Perhaps they should have slipped on the top hat and tails?
It just happened that Nichols was not seen with anyone that night before he was spotted near her dying body alone in the dark
Why do you keep saying ‘it just happened?’ Either no one saw her or if anyone had seen her they might not have wanted to get involved. People at the lower end of society weren’t all big fans of the police.
Tonight Baron I ‘just happened’ to have lamb chops for my evening meal, then my brother ‘just happened’ to call round,’ then I ‘just happened’ to do a bit of reading whilst listening to music. About half an hour ago I ‘just happened’ to have a glass of Jura whisky. It must seem to you like I ‘just happened’ to have a very suspicious evening?
The Baron
He just happened to find Nichols.
Everyone who finds a body ‘just happens to find a body.’
She just happened to bleed for many minutes after he left her.
How do you know how long she bled for? You don’t know when she was killed.
She just happened to be the only Ripper victim with the damage hidden by the clothing.
She was the only one called Polly Nichols too. Can you find anything more irrelevant.
Paul just happened to arrive at the perfect moment to supply an alibi.
Unless you’re suggesting that Cross somehow planned this then you’ve just made yet another glaringly pointless point. Can’t you see this Baron? Everyone else can.
He just happened not to see or hear Lechmere, 30 or 40 yards in front of himself.
Cross had no control over that either. Do you know how loud Paul’s footsteps were? Do you know how good Cross’s hearing was?
Lechmere just happened to feel and touch the body of Nichols - and he just happened to decline to help prop her up when Paul suggested it.
Now, in a previous post you admitted and accepted that we get different versions of this because in another paper it says that Paul refused to prop her up. Now you are becoming a true Lechmerian. You are doctoring evidence. Fisherman and Stow would be proud of you.
He just happened to disagree about having told Mizen that a second PC was in place in Bucks Row.
So when two people disagree you assume a lie?You also assume which one was right.
He just happened to disagreee with Mizen about whether or not he told the PC that it was a grave errand.
What are you talking about?
He just happened to leave out that he was the finder himself when speaking to Mizen.
They told Mizen that there was a woman lying in Bucks Row. How could it matter to Mizen which one of the two had actually found the body. This is the worst kind of desperation just to increase your number of ‘points.’
He just happened to traverse the exact small area where the Spitalfields murders took place.
Because that’s where he lived and worked. If the murders had occurred in the West End and Cross had been discovered there at the time of one of the murders then that would have been interesting. Your point isn’t in the slightest.
He just happened to have all sorts of links to the exact area where Stride died.
He was a local man. Is it an unknown fact that serial killers only kill at locations where they have links to? Someone forgot to tell Peter Sutcliffe and Ted Bundy and…well, most serial killers actually.
He just happened to use the name Cross with the police and inquest, whereas he otherwise ALWAYS used Lechmere in any contacts with the authorities.
You can’t prove that. In another post you mentioned the carriage accident as involving Cross. So that negates your point straight away. If he’d gained some advantage from using the name Cross then you might have had a point. But he didn’t…so you don’t.
He just happened to give a departure time that should have seen him halfways down Hanbury Street at 3.40, not to speak of 3.45.
Cross gave an APPROXIMATE time. So if he left the house at say 3.32 he gets to Bucks Row around 3.40 which is when the body was found…not at 3.45. This is another bit of Fisherman evidence twisting for the terminally gullible.
He just happened to surface at the second day of the inquest - after Pauls interview in Lloyds
And your point is? He turned up. That’s all that matters.
- To add to this excellent list of Fisherman…that you said were all nonsense.
It just happened that he was spotted alone in the dark near a freshly killed woman
Because he’d found a body. People who find bodies are always near that body at some point unless you would have expected him to have found the body from 200 yards away using ‘night sight’ binoculars?
It just happened that Paul detected what he thought a faint breath
And?
It just happened that he didn't tell Mizen that the woman looked as if she was outraged
And? Neither did Paul either. Was he the ripper too?
It just happened that while they were by the body he heard a policeman coming and left the scene
That you mention this is utterly contemptible. You’ve taken one press report that was clearly in error and ignored the inquest reports. Are there no depths that you won’t stoop to Baron. I suppose not now that you are in league with Fisherman and Von Stow.
It just happen that his true name remained unknown for more than 100 years
Might have something to do with no one looking into it until 100 years later. Please come back if you have something relevant.
It just happened that he didn't notice any blood or the wide open eyes
Neither did Paul. Was he the ripper too.
It just happened that he was involved in an accedent that killed a boy
A) so people who are involved in accidents are more likely to be murderers. It’s a new one on me. And B) under the name of…..Cross
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It just happened that he chose to wait and look at the body and wait for Paul and take him to examine the woman, even though he was behind time
Are you really trying to make this huge point for his innocence into a point for his guilt? Surely not? I’m not even going to explain why that’s a joke.
It just happened that he didn't dress up for the inquest
It was an inquest…not a dinner dance at Downton Abbey. Not one single person has been able to explain what is suspicious about his wearing his work clothes to an inquest. I bet PC’s Mizen, Thain and Neill were wearing their work clothes too. Perhaps they should have slipped on the top hat and tails?
It just happened that Nichols was not seen with anyone that night before he was spotted near her dying body alone in the dark
Why do you keep saying ‘it just happened?’ Either no one saw her or if anyone had seen her they might not have wanted to get involved. People at the lower end of society weren’t all big fans of the police.
Tonight Baron I ‘just happened’ to have lamb chops for my evening meal, then my brother ‘just happened’ to call round,’ then I ‘just happened’ to do a bit of reading whilst listening to music. About half an hour ago I ‘just happened’ to have a glass of Jura whisky. It must seem to you like I ‘just happened’ to have a very suspicious evening?
The Baron
I look forward to reading it.
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