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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    They are consistent with the actions of someone who lived in Spitalfields and had gone out with murder in mind.
    Considering how many possible Ripper killings took place near the Spitalfields Market, I suspect that it was an anchor point for the killer. Which isn't very helpful, since Spitalfields Market was an anchor point for half the district/

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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by Mark J D View Post
    I certainly wouldn't signpost my overall direction of travel in such a way.

    M.
    Yet that is a core doctrine of the Church of Lechmere, Unholy Be His Name.

    They want you to believe the Goulston Street Graffito is a signpost pointing at Charles Lechmere.

    Nevermind that the leyline from Mitre Square to the Goulston Street Graffito doesn't pass within 2 blocks of Charles Lechmere's home at 22 Doveton Street.

    Nevermind that real human beings use roads instead of bounding across the rooftops in a straight line like Springheeled Jack.

    Nevermiind that there is no evidence about how far the Ripper lived from Goulston Street

    Nevermind that Goulston Street was perhaps a block from Aldgate High Street, which the killer could have taken west.

    Nevermind that Goulston Street was perhaps a block from Whitechapel Road, which the killer could have taken east.

    Nevermind that Goulston Street was perhaps two blocks from Commercial Road, which the killer could have taken east.

    Nevermind that Goulston Street was perhaps two blocks from Commercial Street, which the killer could have taken north.​

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

    I repeat the perfectly reasonable question from #6181 that you are trying to dodge:

    "... why would you think a man who went from Maryann Street to Berner Street and there committed a murder where things didn't go his way would then commit another murder in a place between Berner Street and his home address?"

    M.

    I think I did answer it by questioning why Lechmere would have committed the second murder at all.

    Why would he walk in a north-westerly direction instead of northwards to his own home?

    Why would he then commit a murder when he is on his way home?

    Why would he then walk nearly a mile westwards to the City of London, rather than north-eastwards to his home?

    Why would he then commit a second murder rather than go home?

    Why would he then travel north-eastwards to Spitalfields instead of eastwards to Bethnal Green?

    None of those movements is consistent with the actions one would expect of someone making his way home from his mother's house.

    They are consistent with the actions of someone who lived in Spitalfields and had gone out with murder in mind.

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post


    I asked you the question: why would a man commit two murders on his way home from his mum's house?

    and your response is that I can play a game with myself.​
    ummm. because hes a serial killer, hes in the mood and is taking the opportunity?

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  • Mark J D
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post


    I asked you the question: why would a man commit two murders on his way home from his mum's house?

    and your response is that I can play a game with myself.​
    I repeat the perfectly reasonable question from #6181 that you are trying to dodge:

    "... why would you think a man who went from Maryann Street to Berner Street and there committed a murder where things didn't go his way would then commit another murder in a place between Berner Street and his home address?"

    M.

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

    This is pitiful.

    M.

    I asked you the question: why would a man commit two murders on his way home from his mum's house?

    and your response is that I can play a game with myself.​

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  • Mark J D
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post


    You started the 'game' but it seems you have no satisfactory answer to the question I posed you.
    This is pitiful.

    M.

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

    You're free to play whatever game you want. With yourself.

    M.

    You started the 'game' but it seems you have no satisfactory answer to the question I posed you.

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  • Mark J D
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post


    If I may answer your question with a question...
    You're free to play whatever game you want. With yourself.

    M.

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

    You've already demonstrated that maps and directions are not your strong suit; but even so, why would you think a man who went from Maryann Street to Berner Street and there committed a murder where things didn't go his way would then commit another murder in a place between Berner Street and his home address? I certainly wouldn't signpost my overall direction of travel in such a way.

    M.

    If I may answer your question with a question: why would a man commit two murders on his way home from his mum's house?

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  • Mark J D
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    Wouldn't you say that it's improbable that someone would go in the wrong direction on his way home three times and after about two hours still be about two miles from home?
    You've already demonstrated that maps and directions are not your strong suit; but even so, why would you think a man who went from Maryann Street to Berner Street and there committed a murder where things didn't go his way would then commit another murder in a place between Berner Street and his home address? I certainly wouldn't signpost my overall direction of travel in such a way.

    M.
    Last edited by Mark J D; 11-10-2022, 10:18 PM.

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

    Why would two minutes not have been long enough?

    M.

    Two minutes to negotiate with the victim, murder her, mutilate her, wipe his knife, and put it away, and step back from the body, before Paul could notice?

    Between the murderer's meeting Catherine Eddowes and her body being found, the time difference was almost certainly more than 10 minutes, with Pc Watkins visiting the Square every 12-14 minutes.

    But Lechmere is expected to have done everything in about two minutes.

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

    What's improbable about it?

    M.


    Everything.

    Wouldn't you say that it's improbable that someone would go in the wrong direction on his way home three times and after about two hours still be about two miles from home?

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  • Mark J D
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post

    When I present them with the improbability of Lechmere changing direction three times on his way home from his mother's house...
    What's improbable about it?

    M.

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  • Mark J D
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post

    I put it to one of his accusers that Lechmere was not alone with the body for about eight minutes - as alleged by Stow and Holmgren - but about two minutes.

    He said two minutes would have been enough.

    [...]

    It's far-fetched enough to suggest that he could have murdered the woman and mutilated her in two minutes
    Why would two minutes not have been long enough?

    M.

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