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[A P Tomlinson]

Someone could about as easily put PC Watkins forward as a suspect. He was the first person known to be near the freshly killed body of Catherine Eddowes, and he was alone and it was dark.

You could say the same about any of the four people who discovered the other bodies.
Lechmerians think he should have raised the alert and gone and found a copper.
Lechmerians say that being seen near the body is a marker for guilt.

But look at what he DID do.
He stopped a passerby, asked for help/advice they both examined the woman and decided to tell a copper. The man who he stopped never saw signs of agitation, excitement,breathlessness, BLOOD, that his clothes were in any way ruffled from a struggle. ANY indicator at all that would have given him cause for suspicion.
They found a copper, and directed him to the scene.

As to the other four, there is NO ONE to corroborate their stories. All four went and found another civilian before alerting the Police. even the bloody Policeman who found a body went and found the nearby nightwatchman, rather than knocking up the copper who lived closer to the murder than the warehouse, or dashing out to the street and start blowing his whistle or simply shouting "MURDER!".
Lechmere is the ONLY person who discovered a body who has any kind of corroboration as to what happened upong finding said body.

And I don't think any ofthe others killed anyone either, but Lechmere... on the balance of evidence is LESS likely to be the killer than any of the other four.

The disconnect from rational, consistent, analysis is one of the main problems I have with their lunacy over this man.

[Lewis C]

See this is something that narks me a touch. Who decides who is a suspect and what are the qualifications for doing so? What qualifies a person to being a suspect?
We get the well trodden 'He was the only SUSPECT that can be placed at the scene of one of the murders.' Would that sound as bad if we said 'He was the only WITNESS that can be placed at the scene of one of the murders.'

I propose PC Watkins now as a suspect. So now Lechmere was not the only suspect to be placed at the scene of one of the murders. (That is how ludicrous that part of the Lechmere Theory is...)

It's not always clear who can be called a suspect, but I'd say anyone that can't be disproven and has the support of a number of people can be colloquially called a suspect, even though technically, that's too broad a definition. But surely George Hutchinson is at least as much of a suspect as Lechmere, and he can be placed at the scene of a murder. There's a theory that Louis Diemschutz, in conjunction with two others, committed the Whitechapel murders. Richard Jones thought enough of this theory to devote a video to interviewing the author of the theory. There are also some who think there's an outside chance that Thomas Bowyer was the Ripper. And if you believe that Annie Chapman was killed long before 5:30, John Richardson would be a likely suspect.

[Herlock Sholmes]

“Lechmerians want us to believe anything they say,”

Absolutely Baron.


“This whole theory is based upon the ignorance of all other parties involved, one has to be an imbecile to believe such nonsense”

I couldn’t agree more Baron


“No Fish, that will not work, try harder!”

Spot on Baron


“I read some fairy tales that were much better than this.”

Totally correct Baron


“Sophistry: the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving”

Well said Baron


“A very disturbed theory, with zero consistency.”

Spot on Baron


”Lechmerians have failed to bring any single evidence or shred of a clue to justify their claims, they even went to the extreme phantasy and presented Lechmere as the solo ripper-torso murderer of his time, aka Lechmerianismus!”

Right again Baron


“If a lechmerian told me: look at Lechmere, all of his actions whithout any single exception were very normal, doesn't that seem suspicious to you? Then I would say he has a better argument than anything was ever produced by Fisherman and his company.”

I couldn’t have put it better Baron


“Thats why this is a very weak theory, one has first to believe of Lechmere guilt then try to find excuses to keep the flame on:

Exactly Baron


“But the Lechmerians remained in their subzero state of denial.”

They certainly have Baron


“Endless excuses to fit Lechmere in.

Too true Baron


I favour Kosminski as a suspect, but how can anyone counter the argument that Bury Was Jack the Ripper?!

Yes, who could possibly say that Bury was a poor suspect Baron



This Baron fellow knows what he’s talking about.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Martin Wilson:

"can any policeman reading or contributing to these boards say that a different name and a convenient 10 minutes accounted for on that particular day doesn't start their coppers nose twitching?"

...and if that nose catches a whiff of blood, then maybe some further interest could be added by the knowledge that the murders took place along the way he walked to his job, day in and day out? But for, that is, the Stride killing that just happened to occur along a route he may well have used to get to his motherīs house. Plus the Pinchin Street case just happened to land at the doorstep of his motherīs house too.

After that, any serious nose would have clogged up.

Then again, I am no policeman, so maybe I take an interest in details that are totally uninteresting and irrelevant.

All the best,
Fisherman

Considering that the 10 minutes in question is a complete fabrication of the evidence then there’s no need for anyone’s nose to twitch.

Staggering gullibility.

[John Wheat]

Very interesting Fisherman, those details cannot and shouldn't be ignored.

Something we cannot say for the like of Bury, Kelly, or Druitt, to name just a few.


The Baron

Another ridiculous post.

[The Baron]

Martin Wilson:

"can any policeman reading or contributing to these boards say that a different name and a convenient 10 minutes accounted for on that particular day doesn't start their coppers nose twitching?"

...and if that nose catches a whiff of blood, then maybe some further interest could be added by the knowledge that the murders took place along the way he walked to his job, day in and day out? But for, that is, the Stride killing that just happened to occur along a route he may well have used to get to his motherīs house. Plus the Pinchin Street case just happened to land at the doorstep of his motherīs house too.

After that, any serious nose would have clogged up.

Then again, I am no policeman, so maybe I take an interest in details that are totally uninteresting and irrelevant.

All the best,
Fisherman

Very interesting Fisherman, those details cannot and shouldn't be ignored.

Something we cannot say for the like of Bury, Kelly, or Druitt, to name just a few.


The Baron

[Geddy2112]

Someone could about as easily put PC Watkins forward as a suspect.

See this is something that narks me a touch. Who decides who is a suspect and what are the qualifications for doing so? What qualifies a person to being a suspect?
We get the well trodden 'He was the only SUSPECT that can be placed at the scene of one of the murders.' Would that sound as bad if we said 'He was the only WITNESS that can be placed at the scene of one of the murders.'

I propose PC Watkins now as a suspect. So now Lechmere was not the only suspect to be placed at the scene of one of the murders. (That is how ludicrous that part of the Lechmere Theory is...)

[FrankO]

Someone could about as easily put PC Watkins forward as a suspect.

Or nightwatchman George Morris. We know he was there before, during & after the crime at a maximum of, maybe, 25 meters from the spot where Eddowes was found. That's more than we can say of Lechmere.

[Sam Flynn]

It's true that you can't rule Cross out, in the sense that you can't rule out anyone that was in the London area at the time who was physically capable of doing it. However, that's also true of hundreds of other people.

Thousands, in fact, in the overcrowded East End alone.

[Geddy2112]

One Lechmere, who was spotted alone, in the dark, near a frshly killed woman, is better than 10 Burys combined, who may or may have not killed their wives, while drunk, somewhere in Dundee, and better than 10 Kellys combined who may not have been in London at all during the murders.

So it's only the notion that Robert Paul saw him in Bucks Row that makes him a suspect? So without Robert Paul we have nothing. I was wondering why Holmgren's fantasy piece in the latest Ripp was so important now...

[Herlock Sholmes]

Yeah, and just in case anyone had forgotten…until he just fancied the idea of trying to wind people up this is what The Baron had always said about the Lechmere theory and its proponents…

“Don't tell me you swallowed the blood 'evidence' of Fisherman?!”

“Lechmerians want us to believe anything they say,”

“It must be Lechmere's magic,”

“I like to start my daywork by killing cutting and mutilating someone around”

“Fisherman is selling the idea that if Mizen went to the body and found no policeman there,”

“And look how the Lechmerians contradict themselves!”

“This whole theory is based ubon the ignorance of all other parties involved, one has to be an imbecile to believe such nonsense”

“No Fish, that will not work, try harder!”

“Caz post has set an end to this fishy tunnel under logic and facts that you are trying to escape through”

“I read some fairy tales that were much better than this.”

“Sophistry: the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving”

“Lechmere wouldn't have lied to Mizen, then he is risking finding the police over his shoulder.”

“He could have run away, but the Lechmerians want us to believe he injected himself intentionally in the events after killing Nichols,”

“A very disturbed theory, with zero consistency.”

”Lechmerians have failed to bring any single evidence or shred of a clue to justify their claims, they even went to the extreme phantasy and presented Lechmere as the solo ripper-torso murderer of his time, aka Lechmerianismus!”

“If a lechmerian told me: look at Lechmere, all of his actions whithout any single exception were very normal, doesn't that seem suspicious to you? Then I would say he has a better argument than anything was ever produced by Fisherman and his company.”

“If he chose to run away no one ever will be talking now about him, and Paul could have very likely missed the body.”

“Thats why this is a very weak theory, one has first to believe of Lechmere guilt then try to find excuses to keep the flame on:

“Endless excuses to fit Lechmere in.

“But the Lechmerians remained in their subzero state of denial.”

…

Now Baron, for absolutely no reason at all, conveniently switches from Bury - good suspect/ Cross - rubbish suspect to the other way around simply because he saw a chance of a pointless argument.

There couldn’t be a better example of anyone being ‘caught out.’ Still he continues though.

Not to be taken seriously. Posts just to annoy…no other reason.

[John Wheat]

One Lechmere, who was spotted alone, in the dark, near a frshly killed woman, is better than 10 Burys combined, who may or may have not killed their wives, while drunk, somewhere in Dundee, and better than 10 Kellys combined who may not have been in London at all during the murders.



The Baron

Ridiculous post. Bury may well have been the Ripper. Lechmere is a complete non starter as a suspect.

[The Baron]

One Lechmere, who was spotted alone, in the dark, near a frshly killed woman, is better than 10 Burys combined, who may or may have not killed their wives, while drunk, somewhere in Dundee, and better than 10 Kellys combined who may not have been in London at all during the murders.



The Baron

[Lewis C]

Someone could about as easily put PC Watkins forward as a suspect. He was the first person known to be near the freshly killed body of Catherine Eddowes, and he was alone and it was dark.